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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 29, 2021 17:20:09 GMT
You never mentioned an individual, but you mentioned both that role and a particular trait of the person most suited for it? Ian was for that time but not this time - there are others who can do a much better job but we have to rid the Club of the rubbish first. - OR sadly we will die! Sounds melodramatic Who is/are the rubbish? The players? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 29, 2021 17:44:39 GMT
Ian was for that time but not this time - there are others who can do a much better job but we have to rid the Club of the rubbish first. - OR sadly we will die! Sounds melodramatic Who is/are the rubbish? The players? or maybe you are referring to the SC and Plebs' Club leadership? who knows?  |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 29, 2021 18:38:14 GMT
Ian was for that time but not this time - there are others who can do a much better job but we have to rid the Club of the rubbish first. - OR sadly we will die! Sounds melodramatic Who is/are the rubbish? The players? You won't get an answer. Just another hit and run from knowall. |
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Post by knowall on Aug 29, 2021 18:48:28 GMT
I prefer to not name names but pick anyone in the board room who after all make the decisions that matter.
I do not, and never have blamed players, because they are employed to do their best, and no doubt do.
In my professional career if the 'team' made a mistake it was MY mistake because I employed them and had to take my due responsibility.
I would have sympathy if Barton and Wael took responsibility for what is happening (how can they blame anyone else?}.
To answer your question directly the 'rubbish' is not in any way an attempt to blame those who are 'hands on' but those who are 'in charge' and to my mind, they must be encouraged to take full responsibility.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 29, 2021 19:14:10 GMT
I prefer to not name names but pick anyone in the board room who after all make the decisions that matter. I do not, and never have blamed players, because they are employed to do their best, and no doubt do. In my professional career if the 'team' made a mistake it was MY mistake because I employed them and had to take my due responsibility. I would have sympathy if Barton and Wael took responsibility for what is happening (how can they blame anyone else?}. To answer your question directly the 'rubbish' is not in any way an attempt to blame those who are 'hands on' but those who are 'in charge' and to my mind, they must be encouraged to take full responsibility. what have you ever done for Bristol Rovers? I ask as I need to know before I consider the relative value of your answer (by the way, Wael al Qadi has put in £20m ) |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 29, 2021 20:01:22 GMT
I prefer to not name names but pick anyone in the board room who after all make the decisions that matter. I do not, and never have blamed players, because they are employed to do their best, and no doubt do. In my professional career if the 'team' made a mistake it was MY mistake because I employed them and had to take my due responsibility. I would have sympathy if Barton and Wael took responsibility for what is happening (how can they blame anyone else?}. To answer your question directly the 'rubbish' is not in any way an attempt to blame those who are 'hands on' but those who are 'in charge' and to my mind, they must be encouraged to take full responsibility. what have you ever done for Bristol Rovers? I ask as I need to know before I consider the relative value of your answer (by the way, Wael al Qadi has put in £20m ) To be fair though Piratey if you are going to compare knowall’s and Wael’s contribution to Rovers in monetary terms you need to know what they have spent as well as what they have put in. I don’t know how much knowall has put in but I’m fairly sure he has spent £0. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 20:58:41 GMT
The most important thing? Rovers fans as a tribe come out of this stronger for the experience. No we won't. Barton, being what he is, has been so divisive we won't come out of this stronger. And our national reputation is harmed. It's the most calamitous decision since some bloke said, ''Oh look, how kind, our enemy have made us a huge wooden horse as a gift, let's drag it in through the City gates''. “has been so divisive we won't come out of this stronger.” I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m saying I hope you are wrong, and working to make a different outcome. I don’t like the division, the anger and bitterness amongst the Gashead tribe. But I had a Damascene Conversion realising that by going along with the herding on here, I was actually contributing to division and bloody mindedness. So I have switched to a medium long term view, just a little acorn at the moment in this wild wood, but it is the only position to take in my opinion that will unite all Gasheads. We are where we are now, and have no choice but to give Barton and his rebuild the time and patience we didn’t give Ben, and some didn’t give even Cocko and Darryl. I think I already have Mango No.15 on the page. As every tick becomes tock I hope and expect everyone to move this way, every single Gashead joins this. So the little acorn becomes the mighty oak. And the oak throws its seeds into the sky. Or as KP so beautifully puts it, I see myself as dropping keys to the cages. unlock yourself from your cage Duke, and join us. We can all stand as one and just Be, whilst this thing plays out. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 21:00:54 GMT
Thanks for clarifying and if this were any other and proven manager, I’d be behind your sentiment as it does make some sense, where I feel we are not going to see improvements is the players we now have & been looking at. Frankly, I was led to believe we had a L1 budget & were going , all guns blazing, for immediate promotion,the incoming players certainly made me feel very differently and we have a team of, in football years, ageing and maybe one final hurrah season left in them. We have not brought in the calibre of players that Barton led me/us to believe we will do anything better than,maybe, survive in this league. I don’t know emperorsuperbus . I & others feel disenchanted and not feeling any real connection to BRFC as it now is. Yes I know. Feelings of disenchantment even anger. But it is in moments like this you appreciate what you want, what you really really want. You know yourself, and your own values. And you know if you want the world to be better, you must first reform your own spirit, and then set that world the example. A tribe can hold the world at arms length. Forget everything from the cave, about being animal, and never know what it is to be at one with landscape and sky. Or a tribe can see as shepherds - before it all began, the money making schemes, the morbid fear of just about everything. The personalities between tribes can be much the same, but their character very different. So you appreciate how one tribe will queue to sell its soul to the devil. The other will not. It has learnt to just Be. As a page that aches for words, which speaks on a theme that is timeless, while the Sun God will make for your day. As a song in search of a voice that is silent - and the one God will make for your way. The most important thing? Rovers fans as a tribe come out of this stronger for the experience. All a bit Hafiz here my friend. An eloquent piece but could have been fine with stick with it and we will become stronge I will reply in kind The small man Builds cages for everyone He Knows. While the sage, Who has to duck his head When the moon is low, Keeps dropping keys all night long For the Beautiful Rowdy Prisoners. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 21:02:06 GMT
I now realise kP that the emperor doesn't have a stance, he just generates content an emporer with no clothes, if you will He's not even an emperor. He's an attention seeking fraud. He pretends to be Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, the legendary 7th and final king of Rome. But I'm pretty sure he is dead. The drains! Don’t forget to mention the drains! 😇 |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 21:05:39 GMT
Yes I know. Feelings of disenchantment even anger. But it is in moments like this you appreciate what you want, what you really really want. You know yourself, and your own values. And you know if you want the world to be better, you must first reform your own spirit, and then set that world the example. A tribe can hold the world at arms length. Forget everything from the cave, about being animal, and never know what it is to be at one with landscape and sky. Or a tribe can see as shepherds - before it all began, the money making schemes, the morbid fear of just about everything. The personalities between tribes can be much the same, but their character very different. So you appreciate how one tribe will queue to sell its soul to the devil. The other will not. It has learnt to just Be. As a page that aches for words, which speaks on a theme that is timeless, while the Sun God will make for your day. As a song in search of a voice that is silent - and the one God will make for your way. The most important thing? Rovers fans as a tribe come out of this stronger for the experience. All a bit Hafiz here my friend. An eloquent piece but could have been fine with stick with it and we will become stronge I will reply in kind The small man Builds cages for everyone He Knows. While the sage, Who has to duck his head When the moon is low, Keeps dropping keys all night long For the Beautiful Rowdy Prisoners. Did you know, the gravitational force of the moon pulls everything on earth? If you leave a cup of tea on the table for 24 hours, the contents of the cup will undergo two high tides and two low tides. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 29, 2021 21:15:06 GMT
You know, I don’t understand why it seems the the huge majority, seem to not look at the architect of all of this, with his visions and diabolical decision making. I don’t get it at all. . The entire club is a mess and the fans are having a pop at each other. This is a bloody horror show I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. I also believe he has received this advice from people he was working closely with but he didn't agree. We are where we are. Yeah careful what you wish for |
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Post by alftupper on Aug 29, 2021 22:01:37 GMT
The most important thing? Rovers fans as a tribe come out of this stronger for the experience. No we won't. Barton, being what he is, has been so divisive we won't come out of this stronger. And our national reputation is harmed. It's the most calamitous decision since some bloke said, ''Oh look, how kind, our enemy have made us a huge wooden horse as a gift, let's drag it in through the City gates''. The most calamitous decision since John Kennedy said, "Let`s take the car downtown." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 22:03:18 GMT
No we won't. Barton, being what he is, has been so divisive we won't come out of this stronger. And our national reputation is harmed. It's the most calamitous decision since some bloke said, ''Oh look, how kind, our enemy have made us a huge wooden horse as a gift, let's drag it in through the City gates''. “has been so divisive we won't come out of this stronger.” I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m saying I hope you are wrong, and working to make a different outcome. I don’t like the division, the anger and bitterness amongst the Gashead tribe. But I had a Damascene Conversion realising that by going along with the herding on here, I was actually contributing to division and bloody mindedness. So I have switched to a medium long term view, just a little acorn at the moment in this wild wood, but it is the only position to take in my opinion that will unite all Gasheads. We are where we are now, and have no choice but to give Barton and his rebuild the time and patience we didn’t give Ben, and some didn’t give even Cocko and Darryl. I think I already have Mango No.15 on the page. As every tick becomes tock I hope and expect everyone to move this way, every single Gashead joins this. So the little acorn becomes the mighty oak. And the oak throws its seeds into the sky. Or as KP so beautifully puts it, I see myself as dropping keys to the cages. unlock yourself from your cage Duke, and join us. We can all stand as one and just Be, whilst this thing plays out. The day I contribute to the wages of a Bristol Rovers manager awaiting trial of a charge of assaulting his own Wife is the day I lose all self respect, and along with it, if they were to find out, no doubt I would also lose the respect of my own Wife and Daughter. Not happening. Even if this particular charge were dropped there's still a huge problem of the things that he's actually been convicted of, and seems to feel are suitable topics for feeble, juvenile attempts at humour. I'll support my club again when the thug is gone, and not a day before. |
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Post by alftupper on Aug 29, 2021 22:17:58 GMT
No we won't. Barton, being what he is, has been so divisive we won't come out of this stronger. And our national reputation is harmed. It's the most calamitous decision since some bloke said, ''Oh look, how kind, our enemy have made us a huge wooden horse as a gift, let's drag it in through the City gates''. So the little acorn becomes the mighty oak. And the oak throws its seeds into the sky. Or as KP so beautifully puts it, I see myself as dropping keys to the cages. I reckon you`ve been dropping something. Some form of mind altering substance, would be my guess. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 30, 2021 8:09:11 GMT
what have you ever done for Bristol Rovers? I ask as I need to know before I consider the relative value of your answer (by the way, Wael al Qadi has put in £20m ) To be fair though Piratey if you are going to compare knowall’s and Wael’s contribution to Rovers in monetary terms you need to know what they have spent as well as what they have put in. I don’t know how much knowall has put in but I’m fairly sure he has spent £0. True, dat But you knew I was hoisting him with his own petard And Waelly's got a weally nice training ground |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 30, 2021 9:03:09 GMT
All a bit Hafiz here my friend. An eloquent piece but could have been fine with stick with it and we will become stronge I will reply in kind The small man Builds cages for everyone He Knows. While the sage, Who has to duck his head When the moon is low, Keeps dropping keys all night long For the Beautiful Rowdy Prisoners. Did you know, the gravitational force of the moon pulls everything on earth? If you leave a cup of tea on the table for 24 hours, the contents of the cup will undergo two high tides and two low tides. No but I’ll see you on the dark side of the moon |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 30, 2021 9:06:04 GMT
So the little acorn becomes the mighty oak. And the oak throws its seeds into the sky. Or as KP so beautifully puts it, I see myself as dropping keys to the cages. I reckon you`ve been dropping something. Some form of mind altering substance, would be my guess. 😂😂😂🤣😘 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 9:26:13 GMT
I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. I also believe he has received this advice from people he was working closely with but he didn't agree. We are where we are. Yeah careful what you wish for I don't have any wishes, I'm more of a watcher these days. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 30, 2021 9:36:26 GMT
Yeah careful what you wish for I don't have any wishes, I'm more of a watcher these days. do you reckon any non-Scousemates have Wael's ear nowadays Pop? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 9:39:07 GMT
I don't have any wishes, I'm more of a watcher these days. do you reckon any non-Scousemates have Wael's ear nowadays Pop? Eh, eh, calm down! I've no idea. If Wael doesn't cringe when he hears a Joey interview then he never will. |
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