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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 10:32:03 GMT
Yes, it’s a strange situation. I feel that Wael is picking up advisors who won’t really advise but will implement whatever he says. I now very rarely use the hate word, I don’t like it and especially when talking or writing about people I have never met but Starnes not only talks like he’s on Valium but his appearance is awful. Widdrington is just full of himself but I’d take him as manager over Barton. I could well be wrong but it feels like Wael is surrounding himself with sycophants and those who will not challenge his decisions. I have met TG and he seemed ok even though he avoided answering any questions of substance. I don’t know fella but I feel we are witnessing the end game now. I can’t say that it doest hurt as we have all grown up with Rovers as a big part of our lives and have made lifelong friends. I can’t even get angry as I feel resigned to see us fail and fall. I’d love to be proved wrong but , listening to Barton,I get that feeling even more deeply. Chin up Jools. Barton will soon be gone one way or the other. Talk of 'going on a good run' is from blind sycophants or contrarian WUMs. With Barton gone and Wael employing the right manager (let's face it, literally anyone else will do), I think we'll struggle, but I don't think we'll go down. There you go - that's the only positive I can find at the moment. I hope you are right my friend. Sayingthat, I did, strangely, actually enjoy our one NL season as it got me back to real grassroots football. To be clear,I would not have enjoyed a 2nd or3rd but I think the club got a lot of positive and reinforcing comments, from the other clubs,Braintree excluded. I am that sure that, with Barton, we would go down and I think the sooner he is gone,the better for the club all around. We were fractious prior to his arrival but, since his start, I have seen and heard longterm friends get to the point of needing to be separated and that’s horrible to see and hear. PLEASE Rovers,get the vile man gone. Each match, his post game comments are more and more delusional and more self absorbed. I’m still p155ed off that he gave up our L1 status and with a shrug with the blame on everyone but himself. I honestly think he believes what he says but I think it’s obviates itself that the players do not react well to his methods, whatever they may be ? I see no point in keeping him on and with his own sword of Damocles over him. PLEASE put him out to pasture. Maybe he’d do well in the streamers MMA freak fights ? It may even appeal to him. Regards from a nice and sunny Watford.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 10:33:04 GMT
Yes, it’s a strange situation. I feel that Wael is picking up advisors who won’t really advise but will implement whatever he says. I now very rarely use the hate word, I don’t like it and especially when talking or writing about people I have never met but Starnes not only talks like he’s on Valium but his appearance is awful. Widdrington is just full of himself but I’d take him as manager over Barton. I could well be wrong but it feels like Wael is surrounding himself with sycophants and those who will not challenge his decisions. I have met TG and he seemed ok even though he avoided answering any questions of substance. I don’t know fella but I feel we are witnessing the end game now. I can’t say that it doest hurt as we have all grown up with Rovers as a big part of our lives and have made lifelong friends. I can’t even get angry as I feel resigned to see us fail and fall. I’d love to be proved wrong but , listening to Barton,I get that feeling even more deeply. Chin up Jools. Barton will soon be gone one way or the other. Talk of 'going on a good run' is from blind sycophants or contrarian WUMs. With Barton gone and Wael employing the right manager (let's face it, literally anyone else will do), I think we'll struggle, but I don't think we'll go down. There you go - that's the only positive I can find at the moment. “ Talk of 'going on a good run' is from blind sycophants or contrarian WUMs. “. Let’s get these next six games out the way, and then revisit this quote and name calling 😉
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 10:34:49 GMT
“ What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. “ you mean Ian Holloway as Director of Football, sat on the board and Responsible for the hiring firing of managers, coaches, scouts, sports scientists? “ concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. “. Any other candidates other than Holloway? I never mentioned Ian Holloway and never would have, you just did. You never mentioned an individual, but you mentioned both that role and a particular trait of the person most suited for it?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 10:35:44 GMT
Chin up Jools. Barton will soon be gone one way or the other. Talk of 'going on a good run' is from blind sycophants or contrarian WUMs. With Barton gone and Wael employing the right manager (let's face it, literally anyone else will do), I think we'll struggle, but I don't think we'll go down. There you go - that's the only positive I can find at the moment. “ Talk of 'going on a good run' is from blind sycophants or contrarian WUMs. “. Let’s get these next six games out the way, and then revisit this quote and name calling 😉 Ok. What would your stance be if we don’t win maybe 2 of those and are bottom or next to bottom ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 10:37:57 GMT
I never mentioned Ian Holloway and never would have, you just did. You never mentioned an individual, but you mentioned both that role and a particular trait of the person most suited for it? I would never say that Ian Holloway is suited for a DOF role because he isn't. I might use him as a firefighter but never to build a club around.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 29, 2021 10:38:42 GMT
“ Talk of 'going on a good run' is from blind sycophants or contrarian WUMs. “. Let’s get these next six games out the way, and then revisit this quote and name calling 😉 Ok. What would your stance be if we don’t win maybe 2 of those and are bottom or next to bottom ? I now realise kP that the emperor doesn't have a stance, he just generates content an emporer with no clothes, if you will
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 10:41:14 GMT
I never mentioned Ian Holloway and never would have, you just did. You never mentioned an individual, but you mentioned both that role and a particular trait of the person most suited for it? There are a fair few ex gas who could do the job and without even bringing Ollie into it but Ollie has made it clear he would not work with Wael so absolutely no point in bringing his name into it. Andy Tilson would be my favourite but each to their own. Surely, you must see we have a team of ageing mercenaries now. I know I’m being nostalgic but we, historically, did better with coaches and staff with Rovers in them. I would even consider Stuart Campbell, even with what happened prior.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 10:43:18 GMT
Ok. What would your stance be if we don’t win maybe 2 of those and are bottom or next to bottom ? I now realise kP that the emperor doesn't have a stance, he just generates content an emporer with no clothes, if you will I have to admit that his comments seem very different to his comments around end of last season. It’s like 2 conflicting posters. I don’t get it, not at all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 10:44:59 GMT
You never mentioned an individual, but you mentioned both that role and a particular trait of the person most suited for it? There are a fair few ex gas who could do the job and without even bringing Ollie into it but Ollie has made it clear he would not work with Wael so absolutely no point in bringing his name into it. Andy Tilson would be my favourite but each to their own. Surely, you must see we have a team of ageing mercenaries now. I know I’m being nostalgic but we, historically, did better with coaches and staff with Rovers in them. I would even consider Stuart Campbell, even with what happened prior. I would be interested in knowing the name (s) of the agent(s) involved in bringing these players in. I think the list would be extremely short if you know what I mean.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 10:47:11 GMT
There are a fair few ex gas who could do the job and without even bringing Ollie into it but Ollie has made it clear he would not work with Wael so absolutely no point in bringing his name into it. Andy Tilson would be my favourite but each to their own. Surely, you must see we have a team of ageing mercenaries now. I know I’m being nostalgic but we, historically, did better with coaches and staff with Rovers in them. I would even consider Stuart Campbell, even with what happened prior. I would be interested in knowing the name (s) of the agent(s) involved in bringing these players in. I think the list would be extremely short if you know what I mean. 😂😂😂👌🏻
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 11:13:37 GMT
I now realise kP that the emperor doesn't have a stance, he just generates content an emporer with no clothes, if you will I have to admit that his comments seem very different to his comments around end of last season. It’s like 2 conflicting posters. I don’t get it, not at all it’s really simply to get. If I would have preferred the club backing Cocko or Ben longer than they did, and if I find much about Barton, particularly his inability to cuddle his players and blame himself now and then, distasteful, and un Rovers - IMO a lot of it is his errors, the Exeter shambles wasn’t Baldwins fault, Barton’s set up left us exposed defensively on the flanks early on. Twenty games in, what does Barton Ball look like, can we see a consistent and convincing system being drilled in amongst all the player rotation and formation tweaking? I don’t want to come over Book of Job here. Book of Job. Do I feel like Job each time I open this blog? But these last few years must open our eyes to something stronger and valuable than merely gnashing teeth, wailing and waving skinny fists toward heaven. Mango15 has put it beautifully and succinctly for us, I can’t do better than simply quote it: “Before we pull the plug on him, can we not show we at least learned from sacking Garner too early by giving Barton twice the games with his squad that we gave Ben?”. To achieve this, fairness, you have to subtract dislike for Barton from before he even joined. And answer questions like “why should such a scumbag be allowed such fairness we didn’t give better people?” It’s not the clubs fleeting and crazy dalliance with Barton, nor about anyone else. It’s about us. It’s about us as a tribe. And the values of our own particular religion.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 11:28:26 GMT
I have to admit that his comments seem very different to his comments around end of last season. It’s like 2 conflicting posters. I don’t get it, not at all it’s really simply to get. If I would have preferred the club backing Cocko or Ben longer than they did, and if I find much about Barton, particularly his inability to cuddle his players and blame himself now and then, distasteful, and un Rovers - IMO a lot of it is his errors, the Exeter shambles wasn’t Baldwins fault, Barton’s set up left us exposed defensively on the flanks early on. Twenty games in, what does Barton Ball look like, can we see a consistent and convincing system being drilled in amongst all the player rotation and formation tweaking? I don’t want to come over Book of Job here. Book of Job. Do I feel like Job each time I open this blog? But these last few years must open our eyes to something stronger and valuable than merely gnashing teeth, wailing and waving skinny fists toward heaven. Mango15 has put it beautifully and succinctly for us, I can’t do better than simply quote it: “Before we pull the plug on him, can we not show we at least learned from sacking Garner too early by giving Barton twice the games with his squad that we gave Ben?”. To achieve this, fairness, you have to subtract dislike for Barton from before he even joined. And answer questions like “why should such a scumbag be allowed such fairness we didn’t give better people?” It’s not the clubs fleeting and crazy dalliance with Barton, nor about anyone else. It’s about us. It’s about us as a tribe. And the values of our own particular religion. Thanks for clarifying and if this were any other and proven manager, I’d be behind your sentiment as it does make some sense, where I feel we are not going to see improvements is the players we now have & been looking at. Frankly, I was led to believe we had a L1 budget & were going , all guns blazing, for immediate promotion,the incoming players certainly made me feel very differently and we have a team of, in football years, ageing and maybe one final hurrah season left in them. We have not brought in the calibre of players that Barton led me/us to believe we will do anything better than,maybe, survive in this league. I don’t know emperorsuperbus . I & others feel disenchanted and not feeling any real connection to BRFC as it now is.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 29, 2021 11:31:11 GMT
Substitute George Williams fired goalwards and midfielder Ollie Banks helped the ball past James Belshaw for his first goal for the club since moving to Holker Street from Tranmere in January. Despite their one-man disadvantage Barrow looked the side most likely to claim the win for much of the second half and Josh Gordon drilled a shot against the crossbar for after George Williams tested Belshaw from distance. excerpt from the bbc report Yes I saw that too. But, I don’t know where these “reports” come from as they don’t have dedicated reporters there, perhaps just local radio reporters. In the end it doesn’t matter, it is what it is, but I do certainly take these “reports” with a touch of salt. Whatever it wa sthe second half was poor. UTG!
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 12:03:21 GMT
it’s really simply to get. If I would have preferred the club backing Cocko or Ben longer than they did, and if I find much about Barton, particularly his inability to cuddle his players and blame himself now and then, distasteful, and un Rovers - IMO a lot of it is his errors, the Exeter shambles wasn’t Baldwins fault, Barton’s set up left us exposed defensively on the flanks early on. Twenty games in, what does Barton Ball look like, can we see a consistent and convincing system being drilled in amongst all the player rotation and formation tweaking? I don’t want to come over Book of Job here. Book of Job. Do I feel like Job each time I open this blog? But these last few years must open our eyes to something stronger and valuable than merely gnashing teeth, wailing and waving skinny fists toward heaven. Mango15 has put it beautifully and succinctly for us, I can’t do better than simply quote it: “Before we pull the plug on him, can we not show we at least learned from sacking Garner too early by giving Barton twice the games with his squad that we gave Ben?”. To achieve this, fairness, you have to subtract dislike for Barton from before he even joined. And answer questions like “why should such a scumbag be allowed such fairness we didn’t give better people?” It’s not the clubs fleeting and crazy dalliance with Barton, nor about anyone else. It’s about us. It’s about us as a tribe. And the values of our own particular religion. Thanks for clarifying and if this were any other and proven manager, I’d be behind your sentiment as it does make some sense, where I feel we are not going to see improvements is the players we now have & been looking at. Frankly, I was led to believe we had a L1 budget & were going , all guns blazing, for immediate promotion,the incoming players certainly made me feel very differently and we have a team of, in football years, ageing and maybe one final hurrah season left in them. We have not brought in the calibre of players that Barton led me/us to believe we will do anything better than,maybe, survive in this league. I don’t know emperorsuperbus . I & others feel disenchanted and not feeling any real connection to BRFC as it now is. Yes I know. Feelings of disenchantment even anger. But it is in moments like this you appreciate what you want, what you really really want. You know yourself, and your own values. And you know if you want the world to be better, you must first reform your own spirit, and then set that world the example. A tribe can hold the world at arms length. Forget everything from the cave, about being animal, and never know what it is to be at one with landscape and sky. Or a tribe can see as shepherds - before it all began, the money making schemes, the morbid fear of just about everything. The personalities between tribes can be much the same, but their character very different. So you appreciate how one tribe will queue to sell its soul to the devil. The other will not. It has learnt to just Be. As a page that aches for words, which speaks on a theme that is timeless, while the Sun God will make for your day. As a song in search of a voice that is silent - and the one God will make for your way. The most important thing? Rovers fans as a tribe come out of this stronger for the experience.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 29, 2021 12:03:54 GMT
Barton will get it right, give him 20 games and maybe even the Jan window. Yes we should have won today, had it given on a plate, could have lost even. Take a point. We need to earn them in this league. He's had well over 20 games, and a summer window, and a pre-season, and we got hammered by Exeter last week and despite the referee doing his best to help we still couldn't beat flipping Barrow this week. What are Bristol Rovers reduced to when apologists for the state the club is in are saying 'I'll take a point' against Barrow with 10 players for 60 minutes. It's very very sad. I wish I had your optimism mango. Atm, with his record it just looks like blind faith based on not much more than wanting something to happen rather than expecting it to. But it could have been worse, at least we got the point. I agree with TWD, from looking at his record, the performances and the results it wasn’t good and I’d be more worried in that I’m not sure the players are playing for the manager. Yesterday it didn’t sound like it. But when you say “we still couldn’t beat flipping Barrow”, although I kind of agree with that sentiment, it also shows us what we’ve become. A bog standard lower league team like so many others. Us fans have an expectation, even a sense of entitlement perhaps that we should be beating teams like Barrow. We need to roll our sleeves up, metaphorically, and run our hearts out to outplay our opponents. But we seem to be a long way from that atm. I’d like to say we were unlucky yesterday but it didn’t sound as if it was which was why a point may be ok. It is very sad and I wish I had the faith some have. UTG!
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 29, 2021 12:19:02 GMT
He's had well over 20 games, and a summer window, and a pre-season, and we got hammered by Exeter last week and despite the referee doing his best to help we still couldn't beat flipping Barrow this week. What are Bristol Rovers reduced to when apologists for the state the club is in are saying 'I'll take a point' against Barrow with 10 players for 60 minutes. It's very very sad. I wish I had your optimism mango. Atm, with his record it just looks like blind faith based on not much more than wanting something to happen rather than expecting it to. But it could have been worse, at least we got the point. I agree with TWD, from looking at his record, the performances and the results it wasn’t good and I’d be more worried in that I’m not sure the players are playing for the manager. Yesterday it didn’t sound like it. But when you say “we still couldn’t beat flipping Barrow”, although I kind of agree with that sentiment, it also shows us what we’ve become. A bog standard lower league team like so many others. Us fans have an expectation, even a sense of entitlement perhaps that we should be beating teams like Barrow. We need to roll our sleeves up, metaphorically, and run our hearts out to outplay our opponents. But we seem to be a long way from that atm. I’d like to say we were unlucky yesterday but it didn’t sound as if it was which was why a point may be ok. It is very sad and I wish I had the faith some have. UTG! I watched the game Wareham, Barrow were a real threat second half, playing with intent and purpose. If Gordon’s shot which thundered the crossbar had been an inch lower we would have been defeated. We looked a team of strangers, devoid of idea, particularly in midfield, Grant saw a lot of the ball, but could not find an outlet time and time again, Finley tried to spark some life, but his passes were a year in advance of the rest of the team. Taylor the new CB Loaned from Stoke looked calm and assured, possibly our best player on the day.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 29, 2021 13:37:01 GMT
Ok. What would your stance be if we don’t win maybe 2 of those and are bottom or next to bottom ? I now realise kP that the emperor doesn't have a stance, he just generates content an emporer with no clothes, if you will He's not even an emperor. He's an attention seeking fraud. He pretends to be Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, the legendary 7th and final king of Rome. But I'm pretty sure he is dead.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 29, 2021 15:36:31 GMT
I wish I had your optimism mango. Atm, with his record it just looks like blind faith based on not much more than wanting something to happen rather than expecting it to. But it could have been worse, at least we got the point. I agree with TWD, from looking at his record, the performances and the results it wasn’t good and I’d be more worried in that I’m not sure the players are playing for the manager. Yesterday it didn’t sound like it. But when you say “we still couldn’t beat flipping Barrow”, although I kind of agree with that sentiment, it also shows us what we’ve become. A bog standard lower league team like so many others. Us fans have an expectation, even a sense of entitlement perhaps that we should be beating teams like Barrow. We need to roll our sleeves up, metaphorically, and run our hearts out to outplay our opponents. But we seem to be a long way from that atm. I’d like to say we were unlucky yesterday but it didn’t sound as if it was which was why a point may be ok. It is very sad and I wish I had the faith some have. UTG! I watched the game Wareham, Barrow were a real threat second half, playing with intent and purpose. If Gordon’s shot which thundered the crossbar had been an inch lower we would have been defeated. We looked a team of strangers, devoid of idea, particularly in midfield, Grant saw a lot of the ball, but could not find an outlet time and time again, Finley tried to spark some life, but his passes were a year in advance of the rest of the team. Taylor the new CB Loaned from Stoke looked calm and assured, possibly our best player on the day. Thanks Taiwan, that helps and fits with what I heard in snatches, and why I said at least we got a point. Worrying times and as I’ve said on several occasions League 2 is not the place to mess about and be a divided club. We know what can happen. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 16:43:49 GMT
The most important thing? Rovers fans as a tribe come out of this stronger for the experience. No we won't. Barton, being what he is, has been so divisive we won't come out of this stronger. And our national reputation is harmed. It's the most calamitous decision since some bloke said, ''Oh look, how kind, our enemy have made us a huge wooden horse as a gift, let's drag it in through the City gates''.
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Post by knowall on Aug 29, 2021 17:17:50 GMT
I never mentioned Ian Holloway and never would have, you just did. You never mentioned an individual, but you mentioned both that role and a particular trait of the person most suited for it? Ian was for that time but not this time - there are others who can do a much better job but we have to rid the Club of the rubbish first. - OR sadly we will die!
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