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Post by richmace on Aug 28, 2021 19:56:38 GMT
I will start by saying that I do not think now is the time to sack JB.
I am now firmly off the fence, and I am looking forward to the day he is no longer our manager. This opinion is based solely on the performance of the football team. He needs to go. The longer we wait, the less chance of promotion this season. That is my opinion.
The standout item from the radio commentary was when our midfielders had the ball and were preparing to attack but "did not know what to do with the ball". It seems to me that the players do not have a basic gameplan to follow.
Yes, the players are not fit, but they do not appear to know what JB wants them to do. There appears (from my limited knowledge) to be a tactical deficiency within the team. I do not blame the players for this at all. This lies solely at the manager's door. For that reason (in addition to the truly awful record), he has to go (and will most likely be gone by Christmas).
We drew with a very poor Barrow team, who were down to 10 men for over an hour and ACTUALLY PLAYED BETTER THAN US IN THE SECOND HALF. How is that possible?
Much as I want Bristol Rovers to be successful, JB needs to be given time to PROVE BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT that he is not capable (I think we are there already). Then we can sack him with the whole fanbase united behind the decision.
Very, very disappointing.
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Post by richmace on Aug 28, 2021 19:59:47 GMT
He went on in his post match interview how many players have left and how many more could leave this window. Like he was told he had to get rid! Don't believe that is the case more his ranting on about look I'm going to get this right. Sorry no faith in th coach. Basel still think he's the man? let’s see how many points the next six games haul in, I’m predicting 14, with some degree of confidence. I really, really hope that you are right.
I also cannot see it based on the 24 games that JB has been our manager. There is a definite pattern and it ends in a second successive relegation.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 28, 2021 20:50:24 GMT
So we had 64% of the play, 12 shots to 8, 6 shots on target to 3, up against 10 men for over an hour and still only came away with 1 point - dismal.
One place above the trap door, Sutton are at the bottom with a game in hand.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 28, 2021 21:39:48 GMT
Barton will get it right, give him 20 games and maybe even the Jan window.
Yes we should have won today, had it given on a plate, could have lost even.
Take a point.
We need to earn them in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 23:16:05 GMT
Barton will get it right, give him 20 games and maybe even the Jan window. Yes we should have won today, had it given on a plate, could have lost even. Take a point. We need to earn them in this league. He's had well over 20 games, and a summer window, and a pre-season, and we got hammered by Exeter last week and despite the referee doing his best to help we still couldn't beat flipping Barrow this week. What are Bristol Rovers reduced to when apologists for the state the club is in are saying 'I'll take a point' against Barrow with 10 players for 60 minutes. It's very very sad. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 29, 2021 5:43:55 GMT
Barton will get it right, give him 20 games and maybe even the Jan window. Yes we should have won today, had it given on a plate, could have lost even. Take a point. We need to earn them in this league. He's had well over 20 games, and a summer window, and a pre-season, and we got hammered by Exeter last week and despite the referee doing his best to help we still couldn't beat flipping Barrow this week. What are Bristol Rovers reduced to when apologists for the state the club is in are saying 'I'll take a point' against Barrow with 10 players for 60 minutes. It's very very sad. I agree that it's sad, and that 20 games can include last season. Before we pull the plug on him, can we not show we at least learned from sacking Garner too early by giving Barton twice the games with his squad that we gave Ben? Who, by the way, has won half as many games already in a month than he did in his whole tenure at Rovers. Not an exact comparison relatively speaking. All of it is frustrating but Barton is going nowhere for football reasons just yet. |
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Post by Igitur on Aug 29, 2021 8:31:30 GMT
Barton in the Post
Joey Barton insists there is “no better-placed man in English football” to get Bristol Rovers winning, despite their poor start to the season continuing at Barrow.
Not even Pep or Klopp he later says could turn things around.
“It’s frustrating. I like winning games of football as a coach. I’ve been a lot more used to that than I have since I came to the football club, but you can clearly see that there have been long-running issues at the club; stuff that in my opinion has been really negligent and poor and [sic] certain departments.
There's the old story of a business manager giving his replacement an envelope with "to be opened in four months" written on it. Come the day the new guy opens the envelope and there's a piece of paper with a message - you're on your own now, you can stop blaming me.
“I think I’ve got the capability and over time I’ll show, like I did at Fleetwood Town, what a good young coach I am, but I’m not Jesus of Nazareth. I can’t turn water into wine.
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 8:52:41 GMT
I was actually laughing through most of his interview.
He actually believes the sh*t he spouts. Unfortunately for him his record says otherwise and most sensible people have seen through him if they didn't already know before he arrived.
He's the bloke in the pub who you don't bother talking to as you know it is going to be a one sided conversation. Me, me, me!!!
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 29, 2021 8:56:16 GMT
Oh, it's not Barton's fault then. Phew. He is utterly deluded and out of his depth.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 9:01:43 GMT
Not sure what you've been up to today, so just to bring you up to speed, we've just played Barrow (no, me neither), they had someone sent off with only 30 minutes played, we took the lead but we ended up drawing the game, and from limited early reports and match stats it doesn't sound like one of those fluke games where balls keep bouncing off of posts and hitting defenders who have fallen over on the goal line, it sounds like Barrow with 10 players were a match for Bristol Rovers with 11. With how much worse Barton made our form last season, what exactly is the point of allowing this to continue? When we lost a game a few weeks back the tired old 'Time to gel' excuse was wheeled out, so I went to the opposition's website and found that they had the exact same number of new players on the field that day as we did. Do I really need to trawl over the Barrow website to see what signings they have, as they'll have some new players. It's a lame excuse and always has been. “no, me neither”. You’ve forgotten their win at the mem against Clark’s side? I’m not a contrarian. I’m just playing it cool, and balanced. The first half today was good. The second half today tainted by the fact they only had ten men, so it raises expectation levels. You wouldn’t expect rovers to just roll over with ten men? It’s never that straightforward to capitalise man advantage. How many times did we prove that at Trashton when Alexander used to turn up with bubble bath for extra long soak? Lots of sides thst run away with titles get off to iffy starts. Man City last year. Swindon when they romped this league. I am confident the club have brought some good players in here, and we can go on some decent runs. I don’t think 3 at back 2 up helps us transition quickly, up against ten men in particular. 4 4 2 would be solid and get us on front foot quicker, stretch it quicker. After that preamble, now for the major mistake you are all making. Last season does not count. Stop adding it on. Stop having your thoughts shaped by it. We just allowed the manager a major overhaul, you have to give that at least three and a half months to say it’s not working. what if you keep allowing managers resets, add the previous season on whilst they move us into mid table as it comes together and sack them far too soon? View AttachmentYou know, I don’t understand why it seems the the huge majority, seem to not look at the architect of all of this, with his visions and diabolical decision making. I don’t get it at all. . The entire club is a mess and the fans are having a pop at each other. This is a bloody horror show |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 9:24:21 GMT
“no, me neither”. You’ve forgotten their win at the mem against Clark’s side? I’m not a contrarian. I’m just playing it cool, and balanced. The first half today was good. The second half today tainted by the fact they only had ten men, so it raises expectation levels. You wouldn’t expect rovers to just roll over with ten men? It’s never that straightforward to capitalise man advantage. How many times did we prove that at Trashton when Alexander used to turn up with bubble bath for extra long soak? Lots of sides thst run away with titles get off to iffy starts. Man City last year. Swindon when they romped this league. I am confident the club have brought some good players in here, and we can go on some decent runs. I don’t think 3 at back 2 up helps us transition quickly, up against ten men in particular. 4 4 2 would be solid and get us on front foot quicker, stretch it quicker. After that preamble, now for the major mistake you are all making. Last season does not count. Stop adding it on. Stop having your thoughts shaped by it. We just allowed the manager a major overhaul, you have to give that at least three and a half months to say it’s not working. what if you keep allowing managers resets, add the previous season on whilst they move us into mid table as it comes together and sack them far too soon? View AttachmentYou know, I don’t understand why it seems the the huge majority, seem to not look at the architect of all of this, with his visions and diabolical decision making. I don’t get it at all. . The entire club is a mess and the fans are having a pop at each other. This is a bloody horror show I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. I also believe he has received this advice from people he was working closely with but he didn't agree. We are where we are. |
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Post by toteend3 on Aug 29, 2021 9:29:09 GMT
What frustrates me more than anything, is that we only seem capable of being consistently average for half a match.
Yesterday's second half performance was a shambles, absolutely clueless going forward . Most of the time playing the ball sideways, all that might achieve is a sponcership deal with Crabbies.
After the match JB commented that he loves winning matches, well that's hardly surprising having won just 4 out of 24!
With heavy heart take the point and moan on............
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 9:39:53 GMT
You know, I don’t understand why it seems the the huge majority, seem to not look at the architect of all of this, with his visions and diabolical decision making. I don’t get it at all. . The entire club is a mess and the fans are having a pop at each other. This is a bloody horror show I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. I also believe he has received this advice from people he was working closely with but he didn't agree. We are where we are. Yes, it’s a strange situation. I feel that Wael is picking up advisors who won’t really advise but will implement whatever he says. I now very rarely use the hate word, I don’t like it and especially when talking or writing about people I have never met but Starnes not only talks like he’s on Valium but his appearance is awful. Widdrington is just full of himself but I’d take him as manager over Barton. I could well be wrong but it feels like Wael is surrounding himself with sycophants and those who will not challenge his decisions. I have met TG and he seemed ok even though he avoided answering any questions of substance. I don’t know fella but I feel we are witnessing the end game now. I can’t say that it doest hurt as we have all grown up with Rovers as a big part of our lives and have made lifelong friends. I can’t even get angry as I feel resigned to see us fail and fall. I’d love to be proved wrong but , listening to Barton,I get that feeling compounded even more deeply. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 29, 2021 9:42:02 GMT
I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. that reads like a bit of meaningless management training Pop it's got 'team' in it, plus 'strong individuals', plus 'concerned only for the company', not themselves blimey! |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 29, 2021 9:44:36 GMT
I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. that reads like a bit of meaningless management training Pop it's got 'team' in it, plus 'strong individuals', plus 'concerned only for the company', not themselves blimey! When you put it like that,blimey indeed |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 9:45:05 GMT
Well Barton, just off the cuff, I can name 2 people who achieved more points-per-game with the exact same working conditions and the same players last season. Are you sure there's nobody better than you out there?
The bloke's an idiot yet thinks the people he's talking to are even denser than him.
Get rid, move on.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 29, 2021 9:48:26 GMT
I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. I also believe he has received this advice from people he was working closely with but he didn't agree. We are where we are. Yes, it’s a strange situation. I feel that Wael is picking up advisors who won’t really advise but will implement whatever he says. I now very rarely use the hate word, I don’t like it and especially when talking or writing about people I have never met but Starnes not only talks like he’s on Valium but his appearance is awful. Widdrington is just full of himself but I’d take him as manager over Barton. I could well be wrong but it feels like Wael is surrounding himself with sycophants and those who will not challenge his decisions. I have met TG and he seemed ok even though he avoided answering any questions of substance. I don’t know fella but I feel we are witnessing the end game now. I can’t say that it doest hurt as we have all grown up with Rovers as a big part of our lives and have made lifelong friends. I can’t even get angry as I feel resigned to see us fail and fall. I’d love to be proved wrong but , listening to Barton,I get that feeling even more deeply. Chin up Jools. Barton will soon be gone one way or the other. Talk of 'going on a good run' is from blind sycophants or contrarian WUMs. With Barton gone and Wael employing the right manager (let's face it, literally anyone else will do), I think we'll struggle, but I don't think we'll go down. There you go - that's the only positive I can find at the moment. |
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 29, 2021 10:04:31 GMT
Well Barton, just off the cuff, I can name 2 people who achieved more points-per-game with the exact same working conditions and the same players last season. Are you sure there's nobody better than you out there? The bloke's an idiot yet thinks the people he's talking to are even denser than him. Get rid, move on. Barton would never accept he’s the problem, it’s always everyone else. I bet if he took over Man City tomorrow he would clash with half the players and then accuse them of being ‘cancerous’. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 29, 2021 10:29:05 GMT
You know, I don’t understand why it seems the the huge majority, seem to not look at the architect of all of this, with his visions and diabolical decision making. I don’t get it at all. . The entire club is a mess and the fans are having a pop at each other. This is a bloody horror show I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. I also believe he has received this advice from people he was working closely with but he didn't agree. We are where we are. “ What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. “ you mean Ian Holloway as Director of Football, sat on the board and Responsible for the hiring firing of managers, coaches, scouts, sports scientists? “ concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. “. Any other candidates other than Holloway? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 10:30:35 GMT
I don't think Rovers can afford financially to lose Wael. What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. I also believe he has received this advice from people he was working closely with but he didn't agree. We are where we are. “ What he really does need is a strong team of individuals around him, concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. “ you mean Ian Holloway as Director of Football, sat on the board and Responsible for the hiring firing of managers, coaches, scouts, sports scientists? “ concerned only for the club and not their pay packets. “. Any other candidates other than Holloway? I never mentioned Ian Holloway and never would have, you just did. |
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