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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 7, 2021 20:36:57 GMT
There is one highlight in a low lights package. What a goal. Could we play him up front? The penalty is an obvious penalty, why would any player or manager not admit it instead blame the official. I’m not sure about the sending off though, didn’t look like much reaction back considering the Mansfield player deliberately ran into Coutts. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 7, 2021 20:45:29 GMT
It’s not like Barton is part of some grouping that brings his fandom; not EDF or Britain First (Barton threw his endorsement behind Jeremy Corbyn after previously refusing to vote for the wet weekend Milliband) nor I suspect the Red Brigade have that many members in East Bristol, nor I suspect the National Secular Society would pile in to Mansfield wearing such flags. Nor is it the excitement of signing a proven manager virtually guaranteeing success. He is not a proven successful manager, though he does talk confidently like he is. And none of the anti social and disturbing violence he commits seems to bother his fandom, in fact their flags celebrate it? (Admittedly I haven’t seen the flag with cigar on, just heard about it so may not be true, but it is true they are not just Bristol Rovers flags, his name is being added to them to prove there is this unfathomable fandom). Can the Barton fans please try to explain why you are.? This isn’t trying to take piss or anything this is genuinely trying to fairly sum up and like to know. There`s no point in asking, you`ll get no reply. I thought at the time, Barton was the best candidate for the job, from the names being bandied about. I thought he`d done a reasonable job at Fleetwood, and I hoped he`d put his colourful past behind him, and channel his aggression into giving the club the shake up it clearly needed. Didn`t work out that way. Au contraire. On and off the pitch, he`s been catastrophic. Relegated in bottom place, and now allegations of wife beating. I`ll still go along and support the club in spite of him. Why some of our fans still identify with him the way they do, I have little idea. I doubt if many will come on to enlighten us either.
Why wouldn’t they honestly explain if they have gone to effort of putting Barton Rovers flags together for new season rather than just Bristol Rovers flags, they obviously like the association? No it’s more than excited about Rovers they are excited to have Barton here. If he was replaced by Pol Pot in December would they create Pol Pot Rovers flag? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 20:51:40 GMT
Here's the thing, if Michael Oliver is allowed to make an idiot of himself in the very top flight every week that gives some idea of the standard of officials in this country, so whilst the red card is a complete joke and if that's a penalty then you can give one at every single corner I've seen for the last 10 years, why is anybody surprised, that's the standard of referee you are always going to get in the basement division.
There's a reason those guys are 4th tier officials, it's because they are, somehow, incredibly, despite logic suggesting that it should even be possible, 3 levels worse than Oliver.
If you don't like it then don't set club records for most home defeats, don't come up with stupid plans of signing players that everybody else has mysteriously failed to see the potential in but Ben frigging Garner and of all people Widdrington are going to turn in to the next George Best and then Rovers are going to sell for a bazillion quid, then maybe we wouldn't be relegated and wouldn't have to put up with 4th tier numpty referees.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 7, 2021 20:55:02 GMT
Anssi won't misjudge a cross that badly again for a long time.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 7, 2021 21:31:42 GMT
Here's the thing, if Michael Oliver is allowed to make an idiot of himself in the very top flight every week that gives some idea of the standard of officials in this country, so whilst the red card is a complete joke and if that's a penalty then you can give one at every single corner I've seen for the last 10 years, why is anybody surprised, that's the standard of referee you are always going to get in the basement division. There's a reason those guys are 4th tier officials, it's because they are, somehow, incredibly, despite logic suggesting that it should even be possible, 3 levels worse than Oliver. If you don't like it then don't set club records for most home defeats, don't come up with stupid plans of signing players that everybody else has mysteriously failed to see the potential in but Ben frigging Garner and of all people Widdrington are going to turn in to the next George Best and then Rovers are going to sell for a bazillion quid, then maybe we wouldn't be relegated and wouldn't have to put up with 4th tier numpty referees. Hallelujah! We can't complain. We had opportunity after opportunity since December 2019 to deflect any chance of relegation to this division where standards have slipped all round, and failed to take them. We are where we are. And that's why before we look to blame anyone else, we should be taking a grown up look at ourselves instead of making similar mistakes by deflecting blame away from ourselves. We continue to make poor decisions on and off the pitch and are where we are because of it. |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 7, 2021 21:54:36 GMT
Here's the thing, if Michael Oliver is allowed to make an idiot of himself in the very top flight every week that gives some idea of the standard of officials in this country, so whilst the red card is a complete joke and if that's a penalty then you can give one at every single corner I've seen for the last 10 years, why is anybody surprised, that's the standard of referee you are always going to get in the basement division. There's a reason those guys are 4th tier officials, it's because they are, somehow, incredibly, despite logic suggesting that it should even be possible, 3 levels worse than Oliver. If you don't like it then don't set club records for most home defeats, don't come up with stupid plans of signing players that everybody else has mysteriously failed to see the potential in but Ben frigging Garner and of all people Widdrington are going to turn in to the next George Best and then Rovers are going to sell for a bazillion quid, then maybe we wouldn't be relegated and wouldn't have to put up with 4th tier numpty referees. Hallelujah! We can't complain. We had opportunity after opportunity since December 2019 to deflect any chance of relegation to this division where standards have slipped all round, and failed to take them. We are where we are. And that's why before we look to blame anyone else, we should be taking a grown up look at ourselves instead of making similar mistakes by deflecting blame away from ourselves. We continue to make poor decisions on and off the pitch and are where we are because of it. I was going to make a post advising you to “F off back to Trashton” but these days you never know whether people will get the joke. Today I watched the game and saw it very much as you described it in the earlier post. Hoole was excellent but Mansfield seemed to have done their homework on Thomas. |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 7, 2021 21:54:45 GMT
Shambles of a club but they are MY club.Great to see you back 02.
Was asked what improvements have been made to the Mem since we last allowed crowds in but I don't expect to see too much next Sat to make my jaw drop.
Still,my mate supports Chelsea but he too has the anguish of keeping up with the Man Citys of this world and says how lucky I am to support the club of my birth.
Reckon Eastville in the late 1950's was on a par with the Mem now!!!!! Will there be a new tent at the South Stand or better facilities for visiting fans? Think perhaps I know the answer to that.Still,my club for over 60 years so unlikely to defect now even though I have been to better grounds in Afghanistan!!!!!
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 7, 2021 21:57:57 GMT
Just watched the highlights on Sky Sports, only 2 mins.
We were probably 2nd best for a lot of the game but the fans singing and the reaction to our goal was immense.
Already goal of the season contender. What technique from Harries.
Disappointing first goal but a draw would have been a great result, do not underestimate how tough that would have been today, without Pitman and Collins also.
The red card and penalty were both debatable and I hope they appeal the red.
Plenty to be happy about, a shame we lost at the death.
I don't like the word unlucky, but I think we just didn't quite do enough.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 7, 2021 22:20:53 GMT
You have moved from sure to think in just one match? Far too early to start doubting Bas. The next six are going to be interesting because it’s not a battling team up against the world the world needs to see justifying the automatic promotion tag - five of the next six all pundits have in a relegation battle. It’s a side who dominates opponents, showing enough flair and creativity and ruthlessness in front goal to win regularly that needs to show itself now. Some aspects of today is really quite good, four at the back, properly manned midfield, when we conceded firstwe left two up at the corner clearly premeditated instruction. Without checking I think I've been posting "I think we'll challenge ".That has'nt changed.I think you've dreamt that one. We've actually agreed we may have an average start (5 to 10 games I've said) before we get going. Yeah did I agree, 10 games playing together they should know each other the system their own roles in it much better, you didn’t dream that. It’s also true though if the 10 games don’t go well, belief and morale could be lower, they will be playing with pressure at their backs. But something materially changed Bas, in the last week, Pundits liking our rebuild and bookies placing us in top 3. The eyes of the world expecting us to quickly bounce back from the Mansfield result and performance. What has also reshaped my opinion is looking at the first seven fixtures with an eye on the punditry and bookies - Mansfield and Exeter tipped for our end of the table, the other five teams tipped for the other end of the table. I think we can agree here, the challenge in the next five league games is to demonstrate our goal making goal taking game controlling qualities to pick up at least 8 of those 15 points? 2 wins 2 draws 1 loss from the easiest run of fixtures we may have all year. 8 points from first 21 a slow enough start for you, whilst such a fancied side gels? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 7, 2021 23:08:30 GMT
Shambles of a club but they are MY club.Great to see you back 02. Was asked what improvements have been made to the Mem since we last allowed crowds in but I don't expect to see too much next Sat to make my jaw drop. Still,my mate supports Chelsea but he too has the anguish of keeping up with the Man Citys of this world and says how lucky I am to support the club of my birth. Reckon Eastville in the late 1950's was on a par with the Mem now!!!!! Will there be a new tent at the South Stand or better facilities for visiting fans? Think perhaps I know the answer to that.Still,my club for over 60 years so unlikely to defect now even though I have been to better grounds in Afghanistan!!!!! Thanks, Coly....glad you're still around. Any reason for the name transition? |
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 7, 2021 23:16:34 GMT
Aside from the ref, we didn’t really have that many attempts on target or off target. . The smack in the back of the head hit its mark tho? As did the dig in the stomach that preceded it. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 7, 2021 23:21:43 GMT
Hughes grabbed the bloke around the waist and pulled his shirt. A daft thing to do, especially as he's 34 and should know better. Of course Barton plays the victim card again and stops the players thanking the officials at the end. Absolutely pathetic, but the travelling fans fell for it and that's what matters to him. The sending off was a bit harsh imo as the bloke did try to push him on the head. Two yellows should have sufficed, but he did lash out in a nasty manner. Wonder where he gets that from? I dislike Barton's style of play and watching a Rovers' team playing like he used to. “and stops the players thanking the officials at the end.” Can someone who went up explain how it looked? Commentator we had back here kept saying Barton was shielding the ref from his players, From Hughes, telling them to go to fans instead. It sounded like quick action from Barton prevented another unnecessary card, not that he was doing wrong. There were cards, but on commentary it didn’t come across as dirty or even niggly game. The Commentator was more polite than normal but all through kept saying “what’s going on here”. From watching, it looked like Barton was stopping the players from confronting the officials. He had already shaken hands with them himself, so I don't see why he would want to stop the players from doing so. It's just another thing that a few people have put a different spin on because it's Joey Barton. |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 7, 2021 23:39:33 GMT
“and stops the players thanking the officials at the end.” Can someone who went up explain how it looked? Commentator we had back here kept saying Barton was shielding the ref from his players, From Hughes, telling them to go to fans instead. It sounded like quick action from Barton prevented another unnecessary card, not that he was doing wrong. There were cards, but on commentary it didn’t come across as dirty or even niggly game. The Commentator was more polite than normal but all through kept saying “what’s going on here”. From watching, it looked like Barton was stopping the players from confronting the officials. He had already shaken hands with them himself, so I don't see why he would want to stop the players from doing so. It's just another thing that a few people have put a different spin on because it's Joey Barton. That was my take on it as well. Harries in particular would be livid to have scored such a spectacular goal and then see it count for nothing. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 7, 2021 23:40:08 GMT
You must have some idea of his appeal. You voted for Nero. It’s not like Barton is part of some grouping that brings his fandom; not EDF or Britain First (Barton threw his endorsement behind Jeremy Corbyn after previously refusing to vote for the wet weekend Milliband) nor I suspect the Red Brigade have that many members in East Bristol, nor I suspect the National Secular Society would pile in to Mansfield wearing such flags. Nor is it the excitement of signing a proven manager virtually guaranteeing success. He is not a proven successful manager, though he does talk confidently like he is. And none of the anti social and disturbing violence he commits seems to bother his fandom, in fact their flags celebrate it? (Admittedly I haven’t seen the flag with cigar on, just heard about it so may not be true, but it is true they are not just Bristol Rovers flags, his name is being added to them to prove there is this unfathomable fandom). Can the Barton fans please try to explain why you are.? This isn’t trying to take piss or anything this is genuinely trying to fairly sum up and like to know. Not sure that I quite fit the category that you want to explain this - I don't have a Barton flag or anything. To be clear, the violence does bother me, I know that these cases can be complicated and I'll wait for the legal verdict to come in. I guess you'd class me as a "Barton fan". When he first came to Rovers I heard from several players that, within a short space of time, it felt like a different club. There was so much positivity in the camp, Barton listened to the players with regards to things they were unhappy with, such as the medical treatment, and he took the bull by the horns and addressed it with those upstairs. When he was in a position to make changes to improve things, he did so. The players were clear about what he expected from them on the pitch, there were some players who weren't up to it, which was frustrating to those who were, once again, he dealt with that when he was in a position to do so. The players have respect for him because of what he's achieved in his career, so they listen and learn. Now we have a squad which has largely been assembled by Barton, and from what we saw today (more organised, seemed to know what was required in their role), and I think we'll see further improvements when the missing players are ready to play. No idea if this helps explain the "unfathomable fandom", but I've given it a go. I know there will be plenty who disagree, and, of course, they are quite entitled to have their opinion too, but I think it's been debated enough, so I'm not trying to set the sequence off again. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Aug 8, 2021 5:56:51 GMT
From watching, it looked like Barton was stopping the players from confronting the officials. He had already shaken hands with them himself, so I don't see why he would want to stop the players from doing so. It's just another thing that a few people have put a different spin on because it's Joey Barton. That was my take on it as well. Harries in particular would be livid to have scored such a spectacular goal and then see it count for nothing. You're right. My mistake. The iFollow camera was late on the scene and the commentator hadn't kept up either. But, like you say, it's because it's Joey Barton that we come to expect it and the officials adopt a no nonsense approach because his reputation precedes him. |
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Post by outwoodgas on Aug 8, 2021 6:42:07 GMT
Two observations from the highlights - notwithstanding the magnificent goal, what is Harries doing lurking on the edge of the box when he's six foot twelve and you would think could be a danger in the air?, secondly the reaction of the Mansfield player who is 'fouled' by Hughes for the penalty seems to suggest that he thought he'd been penalised. He certainly doesn't celebrate, which is odd in the circumstances.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 8, 2021 6:50:44 GMT
Without checking I think I've been posting "I think we'll challenge ".That has'nt changed.I think you've dreamt that one. We've actually agreed we may have an average start (5 to 10 games I've said) before we get going. Yeah did I agree, 10 games playing together they should know each other the system their own roles in it much better, you didn’t dream that. It’s also true though if the 10 games don’t go well, belief and morale could be lower, they will be playing with pressure at their backs. But something materially changed Bas, in the last week, Pundits liking our rebuild and bookies placing us in top 3. The eyes of the world expecting us to quickly bounce back from the Mansfield result and performance. What has also reshaped my opinion is looking at the first seven fixtures with an eye on the punditry and bookies - Mansfield and Exeter tipped for our end of the table, the other five teams tipped for the other end of the table. I think we can agree here, the challenge in the next five league games is to demonstrate our goal making goal taking game controlling qualities to pick up at least 8 of those 15 points? 2 wins 2 draws 1 loss from the easiest run of fixtures we may have all year. 8 points from first 21 a slow enough start for you, whilst such a fancied side gels? I think we'll see a general improvement alround, over the next 5 to 10 games.Exact points total I would'nt like to say,but with good players returning,all gaining experience of each other and the challenges this division will throw at us,we'll pick up points. Then we'll climb the table. I mentioned it above,Anssi was absolutely miles off that cross and I'll be surprised if he shows such poor judgement again for quite sometime. A war of attrition,our season this time. Think Stalingrad. The reaction from some to yesterdays game has more to do with their annoyance JB is still Boss.Judgement blurred.Completely negative view of Rovers performance ,the toughness of fixture and potential of this group.A dark and heavy read. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Aug 8, 2021 6:57:14 GMT
Two observations from the highlights - notwithstanding the magnificent goal, what is Harries doing lurking on the edge of the box when he's six foot twelve and you would think could be a danger in the air?, secondly the reaction of the Mansfield player who is 'fouled' by Hughes for the penalty seems to suggest that he thought he'd been penalised. He certainly doesn't celebrate, which is odd in the circumstances. He could well have sympathised with him, who knows. I hope this is a sign of an official crackdown on grappling in the box, which has become a fine art and a blight on the game. The game isn't called football for no reason. If I wanted to watch blokes grapple with each other I'd go and watch rugby. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 8, 2021 6:58:42 GMT
Two observations from the highlights - notwithstanding the magnificent goal, what is Harries doing lurking on the edge of the box when he's six foot twelve and you would think could be a danger in the air?, secondly the reaction of the Mansfield player who is 'fouled' by Hughes for the penalty seems to suggest that he thought he'd been penalised. He certainly doesn't celebrate, which is odd in the circumstances. Yes Cian, don't score like that again. Glad he was there.. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Aug 8, 2021 7:01:31 GMT
Yeah did I agree, 10 games playing together they should know each other the system their own roles in it much better, you didn’t dream that. It’s also true though if the 10 games don’t go well, belief and morale could be lower, they will be playing with pressure at their backs. But something materially changed Bas, in the last week, Pundits liking our rebuild and bookies placing us in top 3. The eyes of the world expecting us to quickly bounce back from the Mansfield result and performance. What has also reshaped my opinion is looking at the first seven fixtures with an eye on the punditry and bookies - Mansfield and Exeter tipped for our end of the table, the other five teams tipped for the other end of the table. I think we can agree here, the challenge in the next five league games is to demonstrate our goal making goal taking game controlling qualities to pick up at least 8 of those 15 points? 2 wins 2 draws 1 loss from the easiest run of fixtures we may have all year. 8 points from first 21 a slow enough start for you, whilst such a fancied side gels? I think we'll see a general improvement alround, over the next 5 to 10 games.Exact points total I would'nt like to say,but with good players returning,all gaining experience of each other and the challenges this division will throw at us,we'll pick up points. Then we'll climb the table. I mentioned it above,Anssi was absolutely miles off that cross and I'll be surprised if he shows such poor judgement again for quite sometime. A war of attrition,our season this time. Think Stalingrad. The reaction from some to yesterdays game has more to do with their annoyance JB is still Boss.Judgement blurred.Completely negative view of Rovers performance ,the toughness of fixture and potential of this group.A dark and heavy read. Football is not warfare or a "battle", it's a beautiful game and should be embraced as such. Barton's reputation precedes him everywhere he goes - and no wonder. |
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