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Post by simonj on Oct 5, 2020 11:04:59 GMT
Not 20 games, but the 8 before we dropped out of the football league; thankfully we stuck with DC and enjoyed some fantastic times.
I'm not suggesting BG will get it right, he deserves a run against mid-table opposition with his own team. He has had 4 games, 3 of the teams will probably be in the running. He should get a run of games with his own team, and then we can finally decide.
But he had 20 odd matches with his own team last season, and this calendar year, as the transfer window in January he brought in players of his own choice....like, Timmy Abraham....and continued to play them. Well you say his own team, he was 'allowed' to bring in a loan or two. The summer has seen lots of activity, the club backed him to do this, so I think you and I have to give him some games with this squad. I do agree it cant be another 20 games though. The next several games will be evidence enough, and if we win more than we lose I may think we are showing signs making progress......equally the other way applies. |
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Post by simonj on Oct 5, 2020 11:10:02 GMT
Not 20 games, but the 8 before we dropped out of the football league; thankfully we stuck with DC and enjoyed some fantastic times.
I'm not suggesting BG will get it right, he deserves a run against mid-table opposition with his own team. He has had 4 games, 3 of the teams will probably be in the running. He should get a run of games with his own team, and then we can finally decide.
Clarke took over a losing team, Garner destroyed, yup destroyed in the blink of an eye, a winning team. Why does he ''Deserve'' more time? You may well feel that you would like him to be given even more time, but that's not the same as him deserving it. Of course, but you saying he doesn't deserve any more time to try his squad isn't the same as saying the club wont show some patience in their decision to appoint him and allow some game time in the squad change that happened this summer.
Those words sound childish don't they.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 11:44:51 GMT
Clarke took over a losing team, Garner destroyed, yup destroyed in the blink of an eye, a winning team. Why does he ''Deserve'' more time? You may well feel that you would like him to be given even more time, but that's not the same as him deserving it. Of course, but you saying he doesn't deserve any more time to try his squad isn't the same as saying the club wont show some patience in their decision to appoint him and allow some game time in the squad change that happened this summer.
Those words sound childish don't they.
What's childish about making an evidence based decision? We now agree that he destroyed everything that the last manager built, he even managed to get us beaten by Stevenage, they finished 92nd out of 92 teams in the entire League. This is what happens when people have nothing to argue with, they resort to using labels such as 'childish' to characterise their opponent's position. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 11:49:09 GMT
When you have a poster discounting any wins that involve red cards and penalties you realise that any debate on football is futile on here.
Then you have bamber who mercilessly slagged off both coughlan and DC pretending he was a great fan of theirs!!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 5, 2020 11:59:08 GMT
But he had 20 odd matches with his own team last season, and this calendar year, as the transfer window in January he brought in players of his own choice....like, Timmy Abraham....and continued to play them. Well you say his own team, he was 'allowed' to bring in a loan or two. The summer has seen lots of activity, the club backed him to do this, so I think you and I have to give him some games with this squad. I do agree it cant be another 20 games though. The next several games will be evidence enough, and if we win more than we lose I may think we are showing signs making progress......equally the other way applies. Well, BG brought in 4 loans. Timmy Abraham* loan. Jamal Blackman* loan. Josh Ginnelly* loan. Josh Barrett Jayden Mitchell-Lawson* loan. James Daly But, 6 players is a big part of the team. His team. Anyone can reset the clock to suit the narrative, that's the poster's prerogative, but there's no getting away from the fact at this minute BG has the worst statistical record in club's history. Arbitrary amount of time or matches given, but I see this as a shame. The transfer window closing imminently (imo) sees a wasted opportunity of recruiting an experienced 3rd division manager, preferably with promotion experience, and giving him support with his contacts whilst the window is open to help turn our season around. I see it might take a very, very long time to get back to 4th in this league, a strong place where BG took over from... |
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Post by simonj on Oct 5, 2020 12:06:02 GMT
Of course, but you saying he doesn't deserve any more time to try his squad isn't the same as saying the club wont show some patience in their decision to appoint him and allow some game time in the squad change that happened this summer.
Those words sound childish don't they.
What's childish about making an evidence based decision? We now agree that he destroyed everything that the last manager built, he even managed to get us beaten by Stevenage, they finished 92nd out of 92 teams in the entire League. This is what happens when people have nothing to argue with, they resort to using labels such as 'childish' to characterise their opponent's position. Very interesting post. I don't know you and certainly don't recognise you as an opponent. Herein lies some of your issues I guess, reading some of your posts (don't have the time or desire to read all of them). If I am an opponent of yours, you cant be a very happy individual, I am on here because I support and love my club.
Back to your argument, I don't agree that Coughlan was that special or indeed would have taken us too far, so I can say we certainly don't agree that all has been destroyed by our current manager, caveat this with, yet.
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Post by simonj on Oct 5, 2020 12:18:29 GMT
Well you say his own team, he was 'allowed' to bring in a loan or two. The summer has seen lots of activity, the club backed him to do this, so I think you and I have to give him some games with this squad. I do agree it cant be another 20 games though. The next several games will be evidence enough, and if we win more than we lose I may think we are showing signs making progress......equally the other way applies. Well, BG brought in 4 loans. Timmy Abraham* loan. Jamal Blackman* loan. Josh Ginnelly* loan. Josh Barrett Jayden Mitchell-Lawson* loan. James Daly But, 6 players is a big part of the team. His team. Anyone can reset the clock to suit the narrative, that's the poster's prerogative, but there's no getting away from the fact at this minute BG has the worst statistical record in club's history. Arbitrary amount of time or matches given, but I see this as a shame. The transfer window closing imminently (imo) sees a wasted opportunity of recruiting an experienced 3rd division manager, preferably with promotion experience, and giving him support with his contacts whilst the window is open to help turn our season around. I see it might take a very, very long time to get back to 4th in this league, a strong place where BG took over from... OK. I get it, you don't want BG in charge and I feel a few more games are warranted. With the continuous reminders giving me the stats of last season, you can be right if you like, but as its opinion based, that isn't a loss for me. And by the way here's another opinion:4th place and Coughlan walking, was it because he didn't fancy continuing the challenge of taking us into the Championship, or perhaps, he knew he was riding his luck? My opinion is its the latter.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 5, 2020 12:35:14 GMT
Well, BG brought in 4 loans. Timmy Abraham* loan. Jamal Blackman* loan. Josh Ginnelly* loan. Josh Barrett Jayden Mitchell-Lawson* loan. James Daly But, 6 players is a big part of the team. His team. Anyone can reset the clock to suit the narrative, that's the poster's prerogative, but there's no getting away from the fact at this minute BG has the worst statistical record in club's history. Arbitrary amount of time or matches given, but I see this as a shame. The transfer window closing imminently (imo) sees a wasted opportunity of recruiting an experienced 3rd division manager, preferably with promotion experience, and giving him support with his contacts whilst the window is open to help turn our season around. I see it might take a very, very long time to get back to 4th in this league, a strong place where BG took over from... OK. I get it, you don't want BG in charge and I feel a few more games are warranted. With the continuous reminders giving me the stats of last season, you can be right if you like, but as its opinion based, that isn't a loss for me. And by the way here's another opinion:4th place and Coughlan walking, was it because he didn't fancy continuing the challenge of taking us into the Championship, or perhaps, he knew he was riding his luck? My opinion is its the latter.
Or because Wael was in talks with Garner while Coughlan was manager. It doesn’t feel nice when you have your boss interviewing someone else for your job, I had it happen to me but I weathered it out. |
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 5, 2020 12:42:21 GMT
OK. I get it, you don't want BG in charge and I feel a few more games are warranted. With the continuous reminders giving me the stats of last season, you can be right if you like, but as its opinion based, that isn't a loss for me. And by the way here's another opinion:4th place and Coughlan walking, was it because he didn't fancy continuing the challenge of taking us into the Championship, or perhaps, he knew he was riding his luck? My opinion is its the latter.
Or because Wael was in talks with Garner while Coughlan was manager. It doesn’t feel nice when you have your boss interviewing someone else for your job, I had it happen to me but I weathered it out. This keeps being suggested but Nathan Jones was apparently approached first. The only given was GC walked. We know nothing else. |
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Post by simonj on Oct 5, 2020 13:13:05 GMT
OK. I get it, you don't want BG in charge and I feel a few more games are warranted. With the continuous reminders giving me the stats of last season, you can be right if you like, but as its opinion based, that isn't a loss for me. And by the way here's another opinion:4th place and Coughlan walking, was it because he didn't fancy continuing the challenge of taking us into the Championship, or perhaps, he knew he was riding his luck? My opinion is its the latter.
Or because Wael was in talks with Garner while Coughlan was manager. It doesn’t feel nice when you have your boss interviewing someone else for your job, I had it happen to me but I weathered it out. I have no idea, but you are right it wouldn't be nice at all. I wonder, if this was the case, what prompted our owner to do this. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 5, 2020 13:41:41 GMT
Well, BG brought in 4 loans. Timmy Abraham* loan. Jamal Blackman* loan. Josh Ginnelly* loan. Josh Barrett Jayden Mitchell-Lawson* loan. James Daly But, 6 players is a big part of the team. His team. Anyone can reset the clock to suit the narrative, that's the poster's prerogative, but there's no getting away from the fact at this minute BG has the worst statistical record in club's history. Arbitrary amount of time or matches given, but I see this as a shame. The transfer window closing imminently (imo) sees a wasted opportunity of recruiting an experienced 3rd division manager, preferably with promotion experience, and giving him support with his contacts whilst the window is open to help turn our season around. I see it might take a very, very long time to get back to 4th in this league, a strong place where BG took over from... OK. I get it, you don't want BG in charge and I feel a few more games are warranted. With the continuous reminders giving me the stats of last season, you can be right if you like, but as its opinion based, that isn't a loss for me. And by the way here's another opinion:4th place and Coughlan walking, was it because he didn't fancy continuing the challenge of taking us into the Championship, or perhaps, he knew he was riding his luck? My opinion is its the latter.
Hey this forum is all about opinion, but for me it's sometimes nice to back it up with evidence. I've said before I admire the loyalty behind BG innies (as opposed to outies), but we're all wanting Gas to succeed and supporting on Saturdays or whenever, so shouldn't be taking anything personally either way. The GC official line of leaving our club, I've never wholly believed. I'm certain, although cannot prove otherwise, there are pieces of information we are not party to, and your opinion may well be amongst it.. I'm liking Kp take on it to. Either way, I was at Ipswich that fateful day. Anyone whom was in the away end when that final whistle went (and a long time before it), won't forget the noise and outspill of emotions. It was kinda unique because for many, many years something was conceived that afternoon.... belief. Riding luck or not, you might be right, it was an amazing rise over months. In my opinion, we've put ourselves back years from that day. But, I do admire your loyalty... |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 5, 2020 14:04:36 GMT
The present incumbent at the helm of our great club is Ben Garner, it is now to late to change the manager as a new manager would only have the present squad to work with.
Maybe a new manager would be a better man-manager i don't know, but he would not be able to buy any decent players to bring in just yet.
We have to support BG for the next few months whether we like it or not, i do not think he is going anywhere.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 5, 2020 14:29:09 GMT
Well, BG brought in 4 loans. Timmy Abraham* loan. Jamal Blackman* loan. Josh Ginnelly* loan. Josh Barrett Jayden Mitchell-Lawson* loan. James Daly But, 6 players is a big part of the team. His team. Anyone can reset the clock to suit the narrative, that's the poster's prerogative, but there's no getting away from the fact at this minute BG has the worst statistical record in club's history. Arbitrary amount of time or matches given, but I see this as a shame. The transfer window closing imminently (imo) sees a wasted opportunity of recruiting an experienced 3rd division manager, preferably with promotion experience, and giving him support with his contacts whilst the window is open to help turn our season around. I see it might take a very, very long time to get back to 4th in this league, a strong place where BG took over from... OK. I get it, you don't want BG in charge and I feel a few more games are warranted. With the continuous reminders giving me the stats of last season, you can be right if you like, but as its opinion based, that isn't a loss for me. And by the way here's another opinion:4th place and Coughlan walking, was it because he didn't fancy continuing the challenge of taking us into the Championship, or perhaps, he knew he was riding his luck? My opinion is its the latter.
When Coughlan's Rovers beat Ipswich to take us up to 4th after a 56 year wait to beat them on their turf, surely that was a magnificent achievement and a proud moment to be a Gashead, well it was for me. Coughlan's Managerial Record with us will be remembered for the right reasons, not pretty football admittedly, but very successful. I have already ruled out buying Coughlan a pint if I ever met him, based solely on the fact that his leaving allowed BG to walk into this club. I am actually embarrassed to have BG as our manager, I now seldom talk about Rovers in our ex-pat footy get togethers, my pride is shot to bits. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 5, 2020 14:38:07 GMT
The present incumbent at the helm of our great club is Ben Garner, it is now to late to change the manager as a new manager would only have the present squad to work with. Maybe a new manager would be a better man-manager i don't know, but he would not be able to buy any decent players to bring in just yet. We have to support BG for the next few months whether we like it or not, i do not think he is going anywhere. I totally agree. Unfortunately, I totally agree. We have missed our chance, we have wasted opportunity, I only hope and pray we don't live to regret it, but the post is correct imo. I just can't bring myself to 'like' it, because I don't. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 5, 2020 14:56:02 GMT
The present incumbent at the helm of our great club is Ben Garner, it is now to late to change the manager as a new manager would only have the present squad to work with. Maybe a new manager would be a better man-manager i don't know, but he would not be able to buy any decent players to bring in just yet. We have to support BG for the next few months whether we like it or not, i do not think he is going anywhere. Aye, tis a sensible post, like it or lump it. In order to maintain a fairly stable blood pressure I am banning myself watching any of BG's Match reports, small steps n' all that. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 5, 2020 14:59:07 GMT
OK. I get it, you don't want BG in charge and I feel a few more games are warranted. With the continuous reminders giving me the stats of last season, you can be right if you like, but as its opinion based, that isn't a loss for me. And by the way here's another opinion:4th place and Coughlan walking, was it because he didn't fancy continuing the challenge of taking us into the Championship, or perhaps, he knew he was riding his luck? My opinion is its the latter.
Hey this forum is all about opinion, but for me it's sometimes nice to back it up with evidence. I've said before I admire the loyalty behind BG innies (as opposed to outies) . He's not a tummy button |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 15:02:57 GMT
What's childish about making an evidence based decision? We now agree that he destroyed everything that the last manager built, he even managed to get us beaten by Stevenage, they finished 92nd out of 92 teams in the entire League. This is what happens when people have nothing to argue with, they resort to using labels such as 'childish' to characterise their opponent's position. Very interesting post. I don't know you and certainly don't recognise you as an opponent. Herein lies some of your issues I guess, reading some of your posts (don't have the time or desire to read all of them). If I am an opponent of yours, you cant be a very happy individual, I am on here because I support and love my club.
Back to your argument, I don't agree that Coughlan was that special or indeed would have taken us too far, so I can say we certainly don't agree that all has been destroyed by our current manager, caveat this with, yet.
I only regard you as an opponent in relation to this discussion, and even then only because you appear to regard my position as childish but don't seem to be able to articulate a reason for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 17:24:12 GMT
When you have a poster discounting any wins that involve red cards and penalties you realise that any debate on football is futile on here. Then you have bamber who mercilessly slagged off both coughlan and DC pretending he was a great fan of theirs!! And what about the people discounting defeats because the opposition was too scary (or whatever bollocks was used to excuse defeat) are you going to include them too? We’ve got a manager who thinks we lost at Portman Road because of the distance and lost 4-1 at Doncaster because of the ref. Compared to that lot my opinions are as sane as it gets. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 5, 2020 18:00:36 GMT
Or because Wael was in talks with Garner while Coughlan was manager. It doesn’t feel nice when you have your boss interviewing someone else for your job, I had it happen to me but I weathered it out. This keeps being suggested but Nathan Jones was apparently approached first. The only given was GC walked. We know nothing else. It is factual that BG was at a few games. I would guess that would be enough to wind any manager up |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 5, 2020 18:35:08 GMT
All the positive posters have vanished,all thats left is the 9 or 10 ultra negative posters. Sickening really. Yes. I'm a little ashamed that I haven't posted on this subject. In keeping schtum, I - and others who have a similar view - have given those who want to excoriate Ben Garner the run of the forum. Taking the results from last season and this season together, the outcomes have been poor. Not many of the matches so far have shown much evidence of fluent football. So, those of us who might be hopeful of an upturn in performances and results have little or nothing to back up any argument we might make. If you are a supporter, then I believe you should support. If you even post on a thread that poses a question about Ben Garner's employment, it could be considered unsupportive. I have no wish to do anything to undermine our manager. Having said that, I don't believe it's very helpful to try to counteract the insults in like-fashion. Instead, I would make these points: I was astonished at the perception of many on social media in the summer that our recruitment was going to guarantee us a play-off place. My view (considering the awful run in Spring 2020, the churn of playing staff, the much-touted transformation of playing style and the inexperience of the manager as a manager) was that we could consider 2020-21 a satisfactory season if we finished about 16th place. In August, League One looked to me to have ten clubs who had (and, now, have) a realistic chance of promotion. Of the remaining 14, I didn't see any that looked obviously out of their depth or doomed (like Bolton and Bury last season). In other words, I thought (and still think) that there is going to be a terrific scrap amongst the 14 to avoid finishing in the bottom four. Like it or not, it is a fact that, in League One, only Rovers had to face, in all three of the opening matches, clubs that I would class in the top 10. (Trust me, I have a spreadsheet!). In the month of October, we have seven League matches. Before the Northampton match, I reckoned we needed to get a minimum of 8 points in October to add to the one achieved at Sunderland to be on track for a satisfactory end-of-season placing. Of the seven League matches in October, only one is against a club I view as being a promotion candidate - Hull City. Having seen their play-off final against Exeter recently, I thought Northampton would be more difficult opponents than they proved last Saturday. However, our win was a first small step towards showing that we might have a chance of getting a decent haul of points in the bread-and-butter matches. When confronted by a local radio microphone 10 minutes after a match, with emotions running high, managers must find it difficult to organise their thoughts. It is part of the job, though. With experience, I believe, come the coping strategies: Darrell seemed to work out what he didn't want to say and effected an abrasive tone to steer the conversation off anything controversial, keeping things like injuries secret; Graham Coughlan spoke in riddles, emphasising fighting qualities and core values. Even so, both men came in for constant criticism for the content of their media interviews. On social media, people mocked DC for phrases like "dust ourselves down" etc., just as some people are now picking on an innocuous comment that Ipswich is a long way from Bristol. So, I take little notice of similar criticism of Ben Garner as he learns how to shape what he says pre- and post-match. I believe he was completely within his rights to feel aggrieved about the outrageous refereeing decisions at Sunderland (which might have cost us two points at one of my top-10 picks) and at Doncaster (which, giving Doncaster a buffer at 2-0 did - as Ben said - massively affect the remaining course of the match). However, I also think he should reflect on whether it does any good to include those thoughts in his after-match interviews, when it's too late to do anything about it, however indignant he feels. In DC's time, people like Lee Mansell seemed to build a rapport with the ref, and sought to influence him on the pitch during the game. I saw some signs of that in the match against Northampton: that's a positive move. I'm conscious that I'm writing this after a 2-0 victory over Northampton. Would I have been so brave if we had drawn or lost? Probably not. But the fact that we did get three points - with the whole team performing well, and some having their best games for Rovers that I have seen - helps me to give Ben Garner a little bit of support. |
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