kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 20, 2020 10:31:15 GMT
Until the start of this season, I'd not watched a full match with Garner in charge. Having dragged myself out of bed at 2:00 am for the last three games I feel uninspired, demotivated, pessimistic, frustrated... and tired. I won't be doing that again until performances improve. (With or without BG) OK, that's just the online ramblings of a Gashead at the arse end of the world but I doubt I'm alone. Your first paragraph apart, welcome to my world! Haha! And the parody to all this is.... certainly more away games than home, loads of fans have sung and cheered before the match supporting their hearts out..... until the inevitable happens. I had said that our fans were not being very vocal at all, when we were able to go. It’s not like we had anything to sing about. I genuinely think we will be very lucky to stay in this division if Ben in given the wholehearted support from our owner. I’m not even sure we will get another striker right now |
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Post by basel on Sept 20, 2020 10:41:55 GMT
Haha! I'm talking about that chance,our only real chance was it? In the scenario we continue to create only 2 or 3 a game,he better get cracking. I thought that freekick by Westbrooke that whizzed across the noses of 2 of our players was at least as good a chance This may or may not be the case ampg,but we're scraping the barre ay?3 chances a game,at home,ain't good enough. |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 20, 2020 11:10:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 11:16:02 GMT
Your first paragraph apart, welcome to my world! Haha! And the parody to all this is.... certainly more away games than home, loads of fans have sung and cheered before the match supporting their hearts out..... until the inevitable happens. I genuinely think we will be very lucky to stay in this division if Ben in given the wholehearted support from our owner. I’m not even sure we will get another striker right now Would go along with that. The place has (mostly) been lacking any kind of atmosphere for years, with the odd notable exception, such as the last 2 mins of the Daggers game, the Lambert game against 1982, the Agogo game against Yeovile, and maybe a few others. Our support is much better away than at home. Ben seems a bit confused about what he has at his disposal. I think he's been watching MoTD and the Champions League on telly, has seen how top players comfortably switch formation depending on whether their team have possession or not and thinks that it's going to work in L1, well, it would if you had top players, but there's a slight problem that he doesn't seem to have quite cottoned on to yet, and that's that there's a reason that these guys are playing in the 3rd tier, and that reason is because they ain't world class footballers. I had this discussion with some random bloke at a home game against Coventry last year, we were trying to work out what our formation was, it wasn't easy to fathom as it kept changing and the players didn't seem to be quite sure at which point to switch from a back 4 to a central back 3, and then sometimes with a back 3 there were 2 wide defenders, sometimes 2 narrow defenders, it was just a mess. Edit. Atmosphere was good before the kick off of Buckle's first home game as well, but that didn't last long. |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 20, 2020 11:23:48 GMT
Well the only good thing about that was that ifollow worked and was sat in the garden on a nice afternoon! fwiw:
We are so easy to play against, some players press but we don’t press as a team so it’s easy to play against.
Ipswich easily got behind us again esp in first half and they were given so much time.
Thought the CHs played ok until Ehmer’s mistake and Alfie was ok, not special nor as good as he can be.
Midfield didn’t work any better than the last few matches. ZW is good in possession but he’s doing it in our half, not theirs. I didn’t think Upson was too bad but I’ve no idea what Grant was doing or what his role is. JML looked lost yet we know how dangerous he can be. They looked disinterested after two league games, it looks like a long season.
Attack, what attack? I felt sorry for Hanlan he looks ok when facing goal and holds it well but he has no support. Having said that he should have scored, he had so much time and space.
Watching us attack is awful. We’ve one or two players at most in the box. Watching Quest last night other teams have lots of players up and supporting, we don’t.
Thank goodness we had Jaakola, without him we’d have been hammered just like last week.
People talk about the Garner project but having watched the 3 matches so far I’ve not a clue what this project is. We have less possession than any team we play against, we don’t create chances so we don’t score and we are easily bullied off the ball. We appear to have recruited well this season but the players are unable to show us how good they are so far. It’s only two leagues games so far so important not to panic but it’s clear that the system, whatever it’s meant to be, isn’t working so far. We may get better but any scout would have seen that we are so easy to predict. Teams will know how to defend against one striker so we need to have an alternative way to play. I haven’t worked up the courage to listen to his post-match views yet.
Sort it out BG or its going to end badly. Unfortunately I’m not confident he can though I hope he does. 🤔
UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 11:44:14 GMT
I agree but therein lays the problem, transferring training ground football onto the pitch when under pressure. One win will start the confidence growing and everything will sharpen up exponentially. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 11:47:44 GMT
I agree but therein lays the problem, transferring training ground football onto the pitch when under pressure. One win will start the confidence growing and everything will sharpen up exponentially. Every team that are getting turned over every week claim that the players are working wonders in training and it's just a confidence thing. Ray Graydon used to say it all the time and I don't remember his team ever transferring those training pitch miracles into results. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 20, 2020 12:05:03 GMT
What a rubbish effort from Hanlon, with that good chance he had. About as much natural killer instinct as a kitten.Reminiscent of Nicholls,who by the way scored yesterday. your deliberately provocative post is either transference or trolling? That’s literally Hardons only sight of goal in two starts! 😆. He created it from his industrious running, not provided by Garnerball. I stand to be corrected, but It was miles offside wasn’t it? The crap bbc commentator talking about everything but the actual game missed so much and was so poor, and his commentary just repeated tropes and misconceptions It looked from stream not just miles offside, but that every player on the pitch stopped playing, and their goalie took the free kick from the offside spot. |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 20, 2020 12:22:23 GMT
You can still see extended (nine minutes) highlights of the game on iFollow. They don't show the incident conclusively - there's only one camera and it was focused on the ball to be played from fifteen yards inside our own half - but what you CAN see is that in the half-second between the release of the ball and the camera switching to show Hanlan, there's every chance that he was onside when the ball was played. When the camera catches up with him, he was already just accelerating past the Ipswich left-back who was static or moving slowly forward.
Apart from the Hanlan chance, we also had two near misses by Kilgour on the end of crosses and the Upson shot from range. Arguably, before the 70th minute, we had had more and better chances than Ipswich. It all changed with the Ipswich substitutions, as though Paul Lambert had switched into "go for it" mode. The big disappointment was that we were unable to summon up a response.
I like those extended highlight packages, as they tend to show Rovers in a much better light than my recent memory of the whole live game!
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 20, 2020 12:36:51 GMT
"In his mind his side did the right thing, kept it tight and themselves in the away match for 70 minutes...and switched to more aggressive press and quick counter attack tactic".
Yes. DC used to have a similar approach, didn't he? Keep yourself in the game for an hour, then start to play more expansively, when the opposition is tiring. "What doesn’t help is errors..."
I usually take the iFollow stats with a pinch of salt, and trust what I see in the game, but two categories stood out for me: | Rovers | Ipswich | | Passing Accuracy | 66% | 76% | | Passing Accuracy in Attacking Third | 44% | 70% |
In plain English, Ipswich were able to pass the ball to a team-mate more successfully than Rovers. Ipswich were almost as successful at doing that when closing in on Rovers' goal. Rovers were noticeably less successful with their passing as they moved further up the pitch. oh I love your post. Everyone now talking about possession and passing accuracy like FMmicromanagers. Like geeky whitecoated milkshake drinking analysts. and you are right. You should. This is the very mechanics that makes football work. Your possession game is passes, passing accuracy, but also heatmap (I’ve lost some of you already haven’t I) I repeat possession game is based on heatmap of where you were on the pitch. Because without the moving around seeking space your possession game isn’t going to work. Your defensive game is interceptions, tackles won. but wait till you get to successful crosses... “what! 4 out of 14! Statistically most goals come from a cross, 4 out of 14 is dross!” actually 4 out of 14 is merely average. No one is getting 24 out of 24 not even with Darren anderton both sides of pitch. ironically, for the first time this season we actually played a decent game in terms of looking after the ball and transitioning into a shape with the wingbacks further forward stretching the pitch and options for pass. I suppose most right ups and reaction starts with the result first and foremost is how it works isn’t it? Most posts after whistle were looking for the negatives, todays seem to be remembering we had a few good openings as well, like the great cross that fizzed across the box. We also did the physicality and challenging for every ball thing quite well too. we were up against a side on the day who are good bet winning this league outright. but every poster that’s pouring bucket of poo over Garner for not playing two guys up front working together gets a thumbs up from me. PS there was a lot of talk about the last home League game against Ipswich, where we shockingly went three down to grab a draw. Where did each team finish that season? |
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Post by basel on Sept 20, 2020 12:52:14 GMT
What a rubbish effort from Hanlon, with that good chance he had. About as much natural killer instinct as a kitten.Reminiscent of Nicholls,who by the way scored yesterday. your deliberately provocative post is either transference or trolling? That’s literally Hardons only sight of goal in two starts! 😆. He created it from his industrious running, not provided by Garnerball. I stand to be corrected, but It was miles offside wasn’t it? The crap bbc commentator talking about everything but the actual game missed so much and was so poor, and his commentary just repeated tropes and misconceptions It looked from stream not just miles offside, but that every player on the pitch stopped playing, and their goalie took the free kick from the offside spot. His decision to pass it to their GK is not good enough,that's all I said. I imagine his goalscoring coach will tell him much the same.Would'nt you think? 2 or 3 chances a game coaching,means a higher than normal score percentage per chances is vital. Edit."Industrious running" from Hanlon to create the goal scoring chance.So striker runs abit is "industrious" in your book?A few paces to beat an offside trap.Nothing particularly industrious about it.I'm surprised you did'nt add 'incredibly ' before "industrious". "Trolling"!What are you on about?You want forum members to read and react to your posts or you would'nt use such provocative thread titles,that were so plainly misleading one recently needed editing. Poor show. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 20, 2020 13:21:36 GMT
Until the start of this season, I'd not watched a full match with Garner in charge. Having dragged myself out of bed at 2:00 am for the last three games I feel uninspired, demotivated, pessimistic, frustrated... and tired. I won't be doing that again until performances improve. (With or without BG) OK, that's just the online ramblings of a Gashead at the arse end of the world but I doubt I'm alone. Set up ifollow not to show scores and watch the complete replay in the morning/more reasonable time. Kicked off at 10pm Taiwan time and after a very hot day and a few beers I started watching but fell asleep around the 9th min (luckily). I watched the remainder today (Sunday) tho' wish I had not bothered. For this seasons 7.45pm K/O, I will watch replays unless insomnia or a big game, as 7.45 UK is 2.45am Taiwan time and l really get upset losing both game & sleep. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 20, 2020 13:42:57 GMT
Well the only good thing about that was that ifollow worked and was sat in the garden on a nice afternoon! fwiw: We are so easy to play against, some players press but we don’t press as a team so it’s easy to play against. Ipswich easily got behind us again esp in first half and they were given so much time. Thought the CHs played ok until Ehmer’s mistake and Alfie was ok, not special nor as good as he can be. Midfield didn’t work any better than the last few matches. ZW is good in possession but he’s doing it in our half, not theirs. I didn’t think Upson was too bad but I’ve no idea what Grant was doing or what his role is. JML looked lost yet we know how dangerous he can be. They looked disinterested after two league games, it looks like a long season. Attack, what attack? I felt sorry for Hanlan he looks ok when facing goal and holds it well but he has no support. Having said that he should have scored, he had so much time and space. Watching us attack is awful. We’ve one or two players at most in the box. Watching Quest last night other teams have lots of players up and supporting, we don’t. Thank goodness we had Jaakola, without him we’d have been hammered just like last week. People talk about the Garner project but having watched the 3 matches so far I’ve not a clue what this project is. We have less possession than any team we play against, we don’t create chances so we don’t score and we are easily bullied off the ball. We appear to have recruited well this season but the players are unable to show us how good they are so far. It’s only two leagues games so far so important not to panic but it’s clear that the system, whatever it’s meant to be, isn’t working so far. We may get better but any scout would have seen that we are so easy to predict. Teams will know how to defend against one striker so we need to have an alternative way to play. I haven’t worked up the courage to listen to his post-match views yet. Sort it out BG or its going to end badly. Unfortunately I’m not confident he can though I hope he does. 🤔 UTG! Garnerball/Garner Project is taking mostly young/raw L1/L2 players and by his teachings get them to play a slick, to feet passing game in the style of Barca or better. Garnerball appears to work best on the training pitches, as unfortunately in League and Cup games it has been found that another team from another part of the country wish to join in, this upsets the basic 'flow' of the slick Garnerball passing game as the opposition quite often stick the boot in and can be particularly physical in attempting to win the ball back, this physical side of the game will be monitored over the remainder of the season to see if it has any influence on results. |
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Post by basel on Sept 20, 2020 14:46:31 GMT
Well the only good thing about that was that ifollow worked and was sat in the garden on a nice afternoon! fwiw: We are so easy to play against, some players press but we don’t press as a team so it’s easy to play against. Ipswich easily got behind us again esp in first half and they were given so much time. Thought the CHs played ok until Ehmer’s mistake and Alfie was ok, not special nor as good as he can be. Midfield didn’t work any better than the last few matches. ZW is good in possession but he’s doing it in our half, not theirs. I didn’t think Upson was too bad but I’ve no idea what Grant was doing or what his role is. JML looked lost yet we know how dangerous he can be. They looked disinterested after two league games, it looks like a long season. Attack, what attack? I felt sorry for Hanlan he looks ok when facing goal and holds it well but he has no support. Having said that he should have scored, he had so much time and space. Watching us attack is awful. We’ve one or two players at most in the box. Watching Quest last night other teams have lots of players up and supporting, we don’t. Thank goodness we had Jaakola, without him we’d have been hammered just like last week. People talk about the Garner project but having watched the 3 matches so far I’ve not a clue what this project is. We have less possession than any team we play against, we don’t create chances so we don’t score and we are easily bullied off the ball. We appear to have recruited well this season but the players are unable to show us how good they are so far. It’s only two leagues games so far so important not to panic but it’s clear that the system, whatever it’s meant to be, isn’t working so far. We may get better but any scout would have seen that we are so easy to predict. Teams will know how to defend against one striker so we need to have an alternative way to play. I haven’t worked up the courage to listen to his post-match views yet. Sort it out BG or its going to end badly. Unfortunately I’m not confident he can though I hope he does. 🤔 UTG! Garnerball/Garner Project is taking mostly young/raw L1/L2 players and by his teachings get them to play a slick, to feet passing game in the style of Barca or better. Garnerball appears to work best on the training pitches, as unfortunately in League and Cup games it has been found that another team from another part of the country wish to join in, this upsets the basic 'flow' of the slick Garnerball passing game as the opposition quite often stick the boot in and can be particularly physical in attempting to win the ball back, this physical side of the game will be monitored over the remainder of the season to see if it has any influence on results. Haha!😄 Would BG be the pugilist super shadow boxing coach? Totally brilliant,loved and respected by millions. All going swimmingly until his students step into the ring and discover what they really liked about the BG coaching manual . Huh huh. Shadows don't punch back. |
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 20, 2020 15:20:02 GMT
Guy's i guess we are all going to have to agree to disagree. BG should be given another 10 -12 games to turn it round This a reasonable time frame given that this is now his team and it will take a lot more than two league games to prove his case.
By then, he will of had more than enough rope and if there is no improvement i will bring the timber over myself!
That said i truly hope he gets it right, therefore for the time being can we please all shut the f*** up and let him get on with it!
I Thank You!
UTG
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:28:49 GMT
Guy's i guess we are all going to have to agree to disagree. BG should be given another 10 -12 games to turn it round This a reasonable time frame given that this is now his team and it will take a lot more than two league games to prove his case. By then, he will of had more than enough rope and if there is no improvement i will bring the timber over myself! That said i truly hope he gets it right, therefore for the time being can we please all shut the f*** up and let him get on with it! I Thank You! UTG Lord. 1. Nobody should shut up about their team. 2. I'll judge BG in May. 3. BG's replacement? Emperor Superbus. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 15:39:07 GMT
Guy's i guess we are all going to have to agree to disagree. BG should be given another 10 -12 games to turn it round This a reasonable time frame given that this is now his team and it will take a lot more than two league games to prove his case. By then, he will of had more than enough rope and if there is no improvement i will bring the timber over myself! That said i truly hope he gets it right, therefore for the time being can we please all shut the f*** up and let him get on with it! I Thank You! UTG Here's a leopard, look at it for a second or for as long as it takes for Rovers to lose 6, draw 4 and maybe, with a fair wind, win 2 of their next 12 games, it'll still be a leopard. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 15:56:39 GMT
Guy's i guess we are all going to have to agree to disagree. BG should be given another 10 -12 games to turn it round This a reasonable time frame given that this is now his team and it will take a lot more than two league games to prove his case. By then, he will of had more than enough rope and if there is no improvement i will bring the timber over myself! That said i truly hope he gets it right, therefore for the time being can we please all shut the f*** up and let him get on with it! I Thank You! UTG Disagree. Again! He's had 10-12 matches already. He's actually had over 20. And one whole transfer window. What evidence is we'll see anything of confidence tomorrow? Why give any more time?....ah, I see now.....the truly hope, and shut the **** up card? I truly hope he goes, and that will shut the f*** up, everyone. It's the only way to being the fanbase together. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 15:59:51 GMT
Guy's i guess we are all going to have to agree to disagree. BG should be given another 10 -12 games to turn it round This a reasonable time frame given that this is now his team and it will take a lot more than two league games to prove his case. By then, he will of had more than enough rope and if there is no improvement i will bring the timber over myself! That said i truly hope he gets it right, therefore for the time being can we please all shut the f*** up and let him get on with it! I Thank You! UTG Here's a leopard, look at it for a second or for as long as it takes for Rovers to lose 6, draw 4 and maybe, with a fair wind, win 2 of their next 12 games, it'll still be a leopard. View AttachmentI'd prefer a cheetah. But then, Steve Evans is already taken. |
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Post by rowdenhill on Sept 20, 2020 16:05:08 GMT
All this fixation on tight unyielding formations that magically ascend into perfection come the 75th minute is daft. The future, and the only way to deal with the serried ranks of the têtes-carrées, is to adopt loose liquid run-arounds. As Clausewitz memorably said: 'Keine Strategie überlebt den ersten Feindkontakt'.
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