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Post by richmace on Sept 19, 2020 20:15:05 GMT
He appears at face value to be way too laid back for my liking. Obviously I don't know him at all, or see how he is with the players. I also know absolutely nothing about football management either.
At the end of the day all that matters are results, and we have had horrendous results under Ben Garner.
I really, really hope things turn round quickly. I like the things that Ben Garner says, I just hope his philosophy works with this group of players and works ASAP.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 19, 2020 20:57:17 GMT
Less than 50% possession yet again. Im giving him 4 more league games. Honestly, I'm not wyu, but why 4? Why not 3 or 5? I'm only interested because after the 4th match, and he still hasn't delivered in your mind, the transfer window will be closed (I think this is essential for a new encumbrance, btw and would time any change to help asap). The last day for the transfer window is 5th oct - we play 2 more games until then, if a new manager is to be found he has to go now, or try and work with what we have got already after that date.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 19, 2020 21:16:49 GMT
Honestly, I'm not wyu, but why 4? Why not 3 or 5? I'm only interested because after the 4th match, and he still hasn't delivered in your mind, the transfer window will be closed (I think this is essential for a new encumbrance, btw and would time any change to help asap). The last day for the transfer window is 5th oct - we play 2 more games until then, if a new manager is to be found he has to go now, or try and work with what we have got already after that date. We have picked up 1 point from the first 2 games and they were both difficult games. Wigan lost to Ipswich, Oxford lost to Sunderland. I have seen better from Rovers in the last 2 games than last season. The acid test will be against lesser teams but I don't think we deserve to wait too long. We don't need any more signings, I feel we must persevere with Ben while the squad gels. However, there are aspects of today I liked and didn't like. Upson looked out of place to me, but we needed to play 3-5-2 giving us 3 in midfield to create and stop attacks. Westbrooke has far more impact in the centre. 2 up top gives their defence more to worry about and takes pressure off Hanlan. We don't create enough chances. Yet. We were unlucky with the own goal and it being so late. Some of our passing was slick, but Ipswich were beatable and we didn't do enough in the final 3rd. I knew people would say we're missing Ogogo, he's not in his plans, we have to accept that, we can see why, next we'll be saying we missed Ollie Clarke.. Next week is crucial.
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Post by alanrg on Sept 19, 2020 22:48:58 GMT
The transfer window shuts on 16 October at 5pm
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 23:06:54 GMT
The transfer window shuts on 16 October at 5pm Do you think that anybody will come in with an offer for Ben?
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 20, 2020 0:04:00 GMT
My take today was that for 70 mins we were much better defensively, and i thought we played some good football albeit a little lightweight up front'. Shipswich will almost certainly be going up this iseason, that said today they were there for the taking. However with no 'golden bullet' we are going to drop points. Hopefully we will do enough to stay out of trouble this season.
Our 'golden bullet' the missing ingredient is of course eight thousand very loud Gasheads sucking that ball into the net!
Please hurry up with the Bloody vaccines!
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 20, 2020 6:26:03 GMT
If rookie manager and players are progressing correctly, we should be able to learn from this.
Lambert is an experienced manager. What he achieved with his counter attack style of football at Norwich and Villa is to be admired. In his mind his side did the right thing, kept it tight and themselves in the away match for 70 minutes, allowing him to win it from the bench. In a short period he changed personnel and switched to more aggressive press and quick counter attack tactic.
It might not have worked on another day. It could have left Lamberts team in the wrong shape and light for one of our counter attacks, allowing us to score first, leaving his team more work to do to secure just a draw. But on such successful decisions are promotions built. I agree with toteend4 As a betting man I will place money on Ipswich finishing above Sunderland this season.
we can argue, we could have seen the change Ipswich made and responded better to it. Not with change from bench, we were already in formation with back five and two holding midfielders as screen before it, though still need to react to Ipswich change, our wing backs dropping a little deeper and narrower to be goal side of attacks; with threat of speedy counter attack from the high press, midfielders less expansive and more frugal with possession.
What doesn’t help is errors. On 89 minutes we had possession and passed to our number six, who with little pressure on him fell over (go watch it through your fingers Upson) the rapid counter attack from lost possession caught out our defence. Far too lazy to blame the defence for that one, the mistake by the 6 created the goal.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 7:43:17 GMT
The last day for the transfer window is 5th oct - we play 2 more games until then, if a new manager is to be found he has to go now, or try and work with what we have got already after that date. We have picked up 1 point from the first 2 games and they were both difficult games. Wigan lost to Ipswich, Oxford lost to Sunderland. I have seen better from Rovers in the last 2 games than last season. The acid test will be against lesser teams but I don't think we deserve to wait too long. We don't need any more signings, I feel we must persevere with Ben while the squad gels. However, there are aspects of today I liked and didn't like. Upson looked out of place to me, but we needed to play 3-5-2 giving us 3 in midfield to create and stop attacks. Westbrooke has far more impact in the centre. 2 up top gives their defence more to worry about and takes pressure off Hanlan. We don't create enough chances. Yet. We were unlucky with the own goal and it being so late. Some of our passing was slick, but Ipswich were beatable and we didn't do enough in the final 3rd. Next week is crucial. Then we will be in a relegation struggle all season, and from what I've seen I am less than confident it will end on a positive note. Some will still say give it more time. Delusional.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 20, 2020 7:58:17 GMT
"In his mind his side did the right thing, kept it tight and themselves in the away match for 70 minutes...and switched to more aggressive press and quick counter attack tactic".
Yes. DC used to have a similar approach, didn't he? Keep yourself in the game for an hour, then start to play more expansively, when the opposition is tiring. "What doesn’t help is errors..."
I usually take the iFollow stats with a pinch of salt, and trust what I see in the game, but two categories stood out for me: | Rovers | Ipswich | Passing Accuracy | 66% | 76% | Passing Accuracy in Attacking Third | 44% | 70% |
In plain English, Ipswich were able to pass the ball to a team-mate more successfully than Rovers. Ipswich were almost as successful at doing that when closing in on Rovers' goal. Rovers were noticeably less successful with their passing as they moved further up the pitch.
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Post by basel on Sept 20, 2020 8:26:48 GMT
"In his mind his side did the right thing, kept it tight and themselves in the away match for 70 minutes...and switched to more aggressive press and quick counter attack tactic".
Yes. DC used to have a similar approach, didn't he? Keep yourself in the game for an hour, then start to play more expansively, when the opposition is tiring. "What doesn’t help is errors..."
I usually take the iFollow stats with a pinch of salt, and trust what I see in the game, but two categories stood out for me: | Rovers | Ipswich | Passing Accuracy | 66% | 76% | Passing Accuracy in Attacking Third | 44% | 70% |
In plain English, Ipswich were able to pass the ball to a team-mate more successfully than Rovers. Ipswich were almost as successful at doing that when closing in on Rovers' goal. Rovers were noticeably less successful with their passing as they moved further up the pitch. On passing accuracy. Josh Sheehan at Newport County.
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 20, 2020 8:35:18 GMT
70 minutes in with some resilent defending, even with a rookte manage we were in good shape.
Back at school the chess team were missing a player and i had never played the game in my life. I was given a crash course and joined the chess team in a match at Sidcup School. I played surprizingly well and was in a winning position -I then got 'mugged' by the more experenced opposition and the game ended in a draw, i did not know about the statemate but learned a lesson that day and it never happened again.
Their first goal was a mistake apparently, and could have been avoided if the cameraman had focused on the live action instead of showing us a replay!
BG is getting there hes now talking the talk with a few more games under his belt and another striker will suffice for this season. Then when we get our 'twelth man' back the promotion push can begin.
UTG
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 9:31:36 GMT
...... but learned a lesson that day and it never happened again. BG is getting there hes now talking the talk with a few more games under his belt and another striker will suffice for this season. Then when we get our 'twelth man' back the promotion push can begin. UTG Post makes a very good point. Learning a lesson and not repeating it. What happens after over 20 matches your lesson isn't learned? Post makes another very good point. Talking the talk. In some parts of the civilised world, after over 20 matches and left with the worst stats in our history, the talk is starting to smell suspiciously like bullsh*t. One example....we played Ipswich two weeks ago and 'the journey' was brought into post match excuses, I mean comments. I'm assuming that the journey from Bristol to Ipswich is roughly the same as Ipswich to Bristol? No mention of journey yesterday!? Hmmmm... I'm surmising this promotion push is in the position of 17-24th?!
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Post by basel on Sept 20, 2020 9:33:08 GMT
What a rubbish effort from Hanlon, with that good chance he had. About as much natural killer instinct as a kitten.Reminiscent of Nicholls,who by the way scored yesterday.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 9:34:17 GMT
What a rubbish effort from Hanlon, with that good chance he had. About as much natural killer instinct as a kitten.Reminiscent of Nicholls,who by the way scored yesterday. Well I guess Hanlon will get 90 odd matches to change your mind?!
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Post by basel on Sept 20, 2020 9:40:36 GMT
What a rubbish effort from Hanlon, with that good chance he had. About as much natural killer instinct as a kitten.Reminiscent of Nicholls,who by the way scored yesterday. Well I guess Hanlon will get 90 odd matches to change your mind?! Haha! I'm talking about that chance,our only real chance was it? In the scenario we continue to create only 2 or 3 a game,he better get cracking.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 9:53:21 GMT
Well I guess Hanlon will get 90 odd matches to change your mind?! Haha! I'm talking about that chance,our only real chance was it? In the scenario we continue to create only 2 or 3 a game,he better get cracking. At this precise moment I would take that. At least it would mean BG would be playing a recognised striker. Atm, I wouldn't even be confident of that..
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Post by JeffNZ on Sept 20, 2020 10:04:20 GMT
Until the start of this season, I'd not watched a full match with Garner in charge.
Having dragged myself out of bed at 2:00 am for the last three games I feel uninspired, demotivated, pessimistic, frustrated... and tired.
I won't be doing that again until performances improve. (With or without BG)
OK, that's just the online ramblings of a Gashead at the arse end of the world but I doubt I'm alone.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 10:09:00 GMT
Until the start of this season, I'd not watched a full match with Garner in charge. Having dragged myself out of bed at 2:00 am for the last three games I feel uninspired, demotivated, pessimistic, frustrated... and tired. I won't be doing that again until performances improve. (With or without BG) OK, that's just the online ramblings of a Gashead at the arse end of the world but I doubt I'm alone. Your first paragraph apart, welcome to my world! Haha! And the parody to all this is.... certainly more away games than home, loads of fans have sung and cheered before the match supporting their hearts out..... until the inevitable happens.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 20, 2020 10:16:56 GMT
Well I guess Hanlon will get 90 odd matches to change your mind?! Haha! I'm talking about that chance,our only real chance was it? In the scenario we continue to create only 2 or 3 a game,he better get cracking. I thought that freekick by Westbrooke that whizzed across the noses of 2 of our players was at least as good a chance
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2020 10:21:11 GMT
Haha! I'm talking about that chance,our only real chance was it? In the scenario we continue to create only 2 or 3 a game,he better get cracking. I thought that freekick by Westbrooke that whizzed across the noses of 2 of our players was at least as good a chance I think that's one positive of the new season, is our first delivery in from a set piece. It's much improved. It's also varied and appropriate to the kind of set piece. Also, Alfie almost got his head on a far post effort in first half too...he flung himself at the ball. I hope we can exploit this more next few matches..
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