kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 13, 2021 11:08:34 GMT
Post Match Dave Challinor to give it some balance. We were unfortunate to lose. sounds like they deserved a win last week, and lost we deserved to lose last week, and won I’m confused, are you talking of creepy ? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 13, 2021 11:10:33 GMT
sounds like they deserved a win last week, and lost we deserved to lose last week, and won I’m confused, are you talking of creepy ? yup |
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 13, 2021 11:12:25 GMT
Mango, I agree with what you’re saying and that Hartlepool was not a game we were expected to win. My frustration is that we have have been taken to this position where it has become a game we don’t expect to win. Barton out They are a lot better than history suggests, a totally different team to ragbag Hartlepool from years ago. But I want, no, need Rovers to win games they're not supposed to win, it send a message that we are to be feared and not that we are a scalp to take because of the players we have. I’d be delighted to hear other managers talk of a rovers team that are difficult to beat, as we had with GC but we havbe done that to death |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 13, 2021 14:45:46 GMT
This was a game that we expected to lose, and we did. It does sound like we could have easily got a result if only we were able to score... That sounds horribly familiar to last season. I'm not sure we have solved anything with this new squad. Remember, we have dropped a division, so we are playing worse teams than we were playing last season. By definition, we must be worse as a team this season. I am patiently waiting for this squad to "gel". What if I am still waiting in April 2022? That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...? “we are a team of strangers” This manager does seem to make a lot of player and partnership changes game to game doesn’t he? Though he seems to have settled on a 3 back, 2 up formation, until 1 up last game. One of the things with Great Resets is how long it take manager to work out what he has got and how it all fits together? So any talk of sacking this manager looks pretty dumb, far too easy for supporters to say, especially when they detest the manager and never wanted him here in the first place, but impossible for the board and owner to sack someone they have just allowed to change the entire squad, it probable wasn’t cheap paying off releases and signing on fees for players seeking last big signing on cheque, even last week they are allowing the manager to add finishing touches to his squad. So they sack him couple of weeks later? No chance! Barton has to be safe as houses until at least feb or March I reckon. And will be here years if he gets it to Gel. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 13, 2021 14:50:11 GMT
Forwards, Leon Clarke (Hamstring) Pitman (Lack of fitness) Rodman (Broken Foot) Z.Walker (Loan) K.Phillips (Loan) J.Barrett (Gone Away) leaves us only Saunders and Collins as forwards, where are the goals and success going to come from?. Yes and there must be no excuses when on a bad run. The squad was assembled to cope with this. Clarke appears to be only a minor injury. I don't think JB got his no1 striking target. Collins needs a goal imo “I don't think JB got his no1 striking target.” Keeps up a fine tradition at this club. Pleased to see board aren’t treating Joey any more special than their previous managers. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 13, 2021 14:50:12 GMT
That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...? “we are a team of strangers” This manager does seem to make a lot of player and partnership changes game to game doesn’t he? Though he seems to have settled on a 3 back, 2 up formation, until 1 up last game. One of the things with Great Resets is how long it take manager to work out what he has got and how it all fits together? So any talk of sacking this manager looks pretty dumb, far too easy for supporters to say, especially when they detest the manager and never wanted him here in the first place, but impossible for the board and owner to sack someone they have just allowed to change the entire squad, it probable wasn’t cheap paying off releases and signing on fees for players seeking last big signing on check, even last week they are allowing the manager to add finishing touches to his squad. So they sack him couple of weeks later? No chance! Barton has to be safe as houses until at least feb or March I reckon. And will be here years if he gets it to Gel. I agree with this last point. It's a long game, not the knee jerk sacking of BG. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 13, 2021 14:51:39 GMT
Forwards, Leon Clarke (Hamstring) Pitman (Lack of fitness) Rodman (Broken Foot) Z.Walker (Loan) K.Phillips (Loan) J.Barrett (Gone Away) leaves us only Saunders and Collins as forwards, where are the goals and success going to come from?. Yes and there must be no excuses when on a bad run. The squad was assembled to cope with this. Clarke appears to be only a minor injury. I don't think JB got his no1 striking target. Collins needs a goal imo Collins will score some fantastic goals for Rovers. But will he score enough goals? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 13, 2021 14:55:44 GMT
“we are a team of strangers” This manager does seem to make a lot of player and partnership changes game to game doesn’t he? Though he seems to have settled on a 3 back, 2 up formation, until 1 up last game. One of the things with Great Resets is how long it take manager to work out what he has got and how it all fits together? So any talk of sacking this manager looks pretty dumb, far too easy for supporters to say, especially when they detest the manager and never wanted him here in the first place, but impossible for the board and owner to sack someone they have just allowed to change the entire squad, it probable wasn’t cheap paying off releases and signing on fees for players seeking last big signing on check, even last week they are allowing the manager to add finishing touches to his squad. So they sack him couple of weeks later? No chance! Barton has to be safe as houses until at least feb or March I reckon. And will be here years if he gets it to Gel. I agree with this last point. It's a long game, not the knee jerk sacking of BG. The justice with Ben Garners sacking, he was doing okay with his own squad, but his record with Cocko’s squad was the worst managerial record ever. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 13, 2021 16:12:58 GMT
That's a good point, how long do you give to gel? We would have lost this match last season too, i m o, but I think it's a bit unfair to say we are worse....in a fantasy way, the team that took to the field yesterday would have definitely stood a better chance of winning v the team that took to the field v Accrington away last season. I don't see any captain issuing apologetic letters this season, in fact quite the opposite.... Whelan yesterday was vocal and riling up support, especially at set pieces we were defending (he directed Anderson to move forward on wing on one of them - breath of fresh air to me as I don't like it we have everyone back in the first half). What is apparent to me, I have no scientific evidence, is we are a team of strangers, new to each other and have been on a steady decline for 2 years.....we are playing teams with established formations and abilities, on a rise in form in their season and have momentum, with little in match to separate and we are coming out of it the wrong side of the result. We had this under DC when we were promoted from non league, much like yesterday Hartlepool are in the same upwardly transition, the crowd are used to winning and they vocally turn up. It all adds up to a difficult time when you're in the decline of form, and in transition with players that are no doubt good and some experienced, but can't convert that into team performances consistently enough. Which takes us back to how long do you give it...? “we are a team of strangers” This manager does seem to make a lot of player and partnership changes game to game doesn’t he? Though he seems to have settled on a 3 back, 2 up formation, until 1 up last game. One of the things with Great Resets is how long it take manager to work out what he has got and how it all fits together? So any talk of sacking this manager looks pretty dumb, far too easy for supporters to say, especially when they detest the manager and never wanted him here in the first place, but impossible for the board and owner to sack someone they have just allowed to change the entire squad, it probable wasn’t cheap paying off releases and signing on fees for players seeking last big signing on check, even last week they are allowing the manager to add finishing touches to his squad. So they sack him couple of weeks later? No chance! Barton has to be safe as houses until at least feb or March I reckon. And will be here years if he gets it to Gel. Politics aside of J A B appointment, I'm always inclined to allow time if can see some strains of progress. Rarely do revolutionary movement of players in/out work hit the ground running, another string of allowing more time. There are things I like.... Josh Grant versatility between positions has been hardly recognised, but that is a key point and point of inspiration and innovation because: When has it happened before? Whom else could have done such a good job in current squad? Things I dislike.... JAB can sometimes be too late to react to real time problems. There has been progress since May. Most of the players signed have previous credible and relevant experience, I think if we can turn this strangers playing each other scenario out, we can put in a decent challenge for play offs, but form will have to change soon. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 13, 2021 20:56:47 GMT
I agree with this last point. It's a long game, not the knee jerk sacking of BG. The justice with Ben Garners sacking, he was doing okay with his own squad, but his record with Cocko’s squad was the worst managerial record ever. View AttachmentBut surely the Coughlan squad was a write off, no good backing him in transfers to turn on him, it's like they bought the players for Tisdale |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 14, 2021 19:35:40 GMT
Tonight:
Sutton United 1 Hartlepool United 0 -(h/t) Possession 61% to 39%, Shots 7-1, On Target 4-0, Corners 8-1.
Sutton started in 23rd place, Hartlepool were in 4th, it's only half-time but Sutton are well on top.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 14, 2021 22:14:00 GMT
The justice with Ben Garners sacking, he was doing okay with his own squad, but his record with Cocko’s squad was the worst managerial record ever. View AttachmentBut surely the Coughlan squad was a write off, no good backing him in transfers to turn on him, it's like they bought the players for Tisdale you are trying to defend Ben? Cocko got the squad to unsustainable false position? Admittedly the man himself admitted the tactics were about to be sussed. Ben was hit with injury crisis, Covid curtailed season and issue at home meaning he wan’t actually managing all the results he is blamed for? Maybe there were a few key injuries, Ansii was a miss as the stoppanothing and other keeper they tried were no replacement. But nothing saves the Rovers manager with worst record in our entire history. |
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 15, 2021 3:58:14 GMT
Tonight: Sutton United 1 Hartlepool United 0 -(h/t) Possession 61% to 39%, Shots 7-1, On Target 4-0, Corners 8-1. Sutton started in 23rd place, Hartlepool were in 4th, it's only half-time but Sutton are well on top. Update: Full-Time Result. Sutton United 1 Hartlepool United 0 - Possession 51% to 49%, Shots 19-4, On Target 7-2, Corners 10-5. Sutton jump up to 15th and Hartlepool drop a place to 5th. |
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