JeffNZ
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 8, 2021 21:49:19 GMT
He may well be Bamber but if I were his employer that's I risk I wouldn't take.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Oct 8, 2021 21:53:19 GMT
He may well be Bamber but if I were his employer that's I risk I wouldn't take. Absolutely. Give the guy a break, well away from here. For his sake and ours. |
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phil74
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Post by phil74 on Oct 8, 2021 22:19:46 GMT
Deluded. Deflecting. In denial. It can't be long now until he turns on us. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 8, 2021 22:24:23 GMT
Deluded. Deflecting. In denial. It can't be long now until he turns on us. Reminded me of Buckle Detached from fans who rightly expect better Joe |
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Post by phil74 on Oct 8, 2021 22:27:18 GMT
Deluded. Deflecting. In denial. It can't be long now until he turns on us. Correction. I wrote that mid interview! Sure enough, he does turn on us. "Be careful what you wish for!" Yes, what exactly did we do in a previous life to deserve you JB? I still haven't reached the end of this rambling nonsense. No mention yet of actual TACTICS for Saturday's game. I assume we'll be sticking with the back 3 (5) plus OAP Whelan sitting in front ensuring we can't get out of our own half. Pitman will presumably be up top on his own. Let's rally round and buy him a chair to sit on. These ruinous tactics are the responsibility of one person only. He seems totally incapable and unwilling to change. Again, what did we do to deserve him?  |
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 8, 2021 22:27:29 GMT
We have to be careful about what we say about mental health... Based on the comments on here I wasn't going to listen to the interview for fear of making myself angry... but I did and surprisingly anger wasn't the emotion I felt. It was a mixture of bewilderment, confusion, and a level of sorrow both for Barton himself and the future of our club. Perhaps Barton is angling for sympathy/empathy, which speaks to his current mental health. Despite my dislike of the guy I genuinely hope Wael and BRFC are considering his wellbeing. I think the best for everyone would be for him to take a break for a month or two. Spot on, remember he is someone's Dad, someone's son, etc etc He may be underperforming as a football manager but he will succeed one day. Even if not with us. I honestly hope it is with us. Rovers with a successful Barton is exciting and everyone would hate us but would not be able to control us. It can still work. Starting from tomorrow 🙂 |
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 8, 2021 22:31:23 GMT
Deluded. Deflecting. In denial. It can't be long now until he turns on us. Correction. I wrote that mid interview! Sure enough, he does turn on us. "Be careful what you wish for!" Yes, what exactly did we do in a previous life to deserve you JB? I still haven't reached the end of this rambling nonsense. No mention yet of actual TACTICS for Saturday's game. I assume we'll be sticking with the back 3 (5) plus OAP Whelan sitting in front ensuring we can't get out of our own half. Pitman will presumably be up top on his own. Let's rally round and buy him a chair to sit on. These ruinous tactics are the responsibility of one person only. He seems totally incapable and unwilling to change. Again, what did we do to deserve him? What we did? Sacked Garner. Panicked when he was available, he had a PROVEN track record of relative success at Fleetwood, by getting them punching above their 3,000 crowd weight. Maybe we are too big for him and some clubs are rotten and it takes a DC to turn them round from the very core. I fear now that DC or GC would not come back to us, given they both left us in L1. What we did to deserve him. We got what we deserved. Shall we just deal with it and accept it? Come on JB, don't throw in the towel. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 8, 2021 22:36:26 GMT
Correction. I wrote that mid interview! Sure enough, he does turn on us. "Be careful what you wish for!" Yes, what exactly did we do in a previous life to deserve you JB? I still haven't reached the end of this rambling nonsense. No mention yet of actual TACTICS for Saturday's game. I assume we'll be sticking with the back 3 (5) plus OAP Whelan sitting in front ensuring we can't get out of our own half. Pitman will presumably be up top on his own. Let's rally round and buy him a chair to sit on. These ruinous tactics are the responsibility of one person only. He seems totally incapable and unwilling to change. Again, what did we do to deserve him? What we did? Sacked Garner. Panicked when he was available, he had a PROVEN track record of relative success at Fleetwood, by getting them punching above their 3,000 crowd weight. Maybe we are too big for him and some clubs are rotten and it takes a DC to turn them round from the very core. I fear now that DC or GC would not come back to us, given they both left us in L1. What we did to deserve him. We got what we deserved. Shall we just deal with it and accept it? Come on JB, don't throw in the towel. Please throw in the towel. For your sake. And ours. This joke isn't funny any more. |
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Post by phil74 on Oct 8, 2021 22:45:27 GMT
It is too late for JB to succeed with us. It won't happen! Every game is proving the exact opposite. How much more evidence do we need?
In terms of his wellbeing, epping makes an important point. He is floundering in this role and at some point something will give.
I don't want to see JB broken by this challenge. I'm sure a lucrative media career awaits him. However, his almost messianic suggestion about why he "was sent" here is preposterous.
The analogies with "cutting out cancer" are inappropriate and insulting to both the fan base and previous managers. We were 4th in league one less than two years ago.
It is no more complicated than JB recruiting the wrong players and then playing the wrong systems. He may have time ahead of him to learn these basics but we can't afford to give him that. He's had enough already.
Tactically tomorrow, I'd want a back 4 and - if we must play pitman up top - at least put some runners off him. Why does Saunders never start?
For as long as JB remains, we will continue not only to lose games but do so in a humiliating manner. Ripped apart down the flanks while creating barely 1 shot on target during every match.
This has been going on for months under his stewardship. He blamed previous managers and players. They've all left. The performances and results are now even worse. JB is the sole link.
When interview content dives into this indulgent level of cod philosophy, something is clearly very wrong.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 9, 2021 0:37:27 GMT
It is too late for JB to succeed with us. It won't happen! Every game is proving the exact opposite. How much more evidence do we need? In terms of his wellbeing, epping makes an important point. He is floundering in this role and at some point something will give. I don't want to see JB broken by this challenge. I'm sure a lucrative media career awaits him. However, his almost messianic suggestion about why he "was sent" here is preposterous. The analogies with "cutting out cancer" are inappropriate and insulting to both the fan base and previous managers. We were 4th in league one less than two years ago. It is no more complicated than JB recruiting the wrong players and then playing the wrong systems. He may have time ahead of him to learn these basics but we can't afford to give him that. He's had enough already. Tactically tomorrow, I'd want a back 4 and - if we must play pitman up top - at least put some runners off him. Why does Saunders never start? For as long as JB remains, we will continue not only to lose games but do so in a humiliating manner. Ripped apart down the flanks while creating barely 1 shot on target during every match. This has been going on for months under his stewardship. He blamed previous managers and players. They've all left. The performances and results are now even worse. JB is the sole link. When interview content dives into this indulgent level of cod philosophy, something is clearly very wrong. we have got to see pressing, a tighter midfield. what is that? It’s sprints. Sprints onto opponents so they can’t receive or have time on the ball. And let’s make this clear, it is not easy, 90 minutes of sprinting. You know when I run the lengths, walk the widths, how long do I manage it? But that’s football, in all era, every level, professional sides need to recruit this and make sure they haven’t recruited too much out. we can all watch this one. Let’s see pressing, tight midfield not allowing opponents space. IMO the results immaterial, a scruffy win ain’t going to be the big turn round, but if big turnaround is coming we would see it in performance regardless of result, just better in basic things really, regardless if we manage the cleanie, was it a simple ball in someone unmarked? Stop giving away goals like that. Are we pressing further up the pitch, forwards closing down, midfield denying space. There’s two types of good movement, into space for a pass or intelligently drawing opponents away to open it up for someone else. An intelligent decoy run to pull them open for A killer pass may be worth clapping as much as a goal, this side needs to demonstrate it’s creativity doesn’t it? |
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 9, 2021 1:18:53 GMT
...When interview content dives into this indulgent level of cod philosophy, something is clearly very wrong. Is that something he learned at Fleetwood? ;-) |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 9, 2021 2:37:06 GMT
DC, GC, * PT and now JAB perservere with a 1 up front, or a makeshift 3 up front to no avail.
Don't get me wrong, with a calibre of JCH, you might get away with it...... sometimes.
Unfortunately, with the level of inconsistency 3rd/4th division brings, the uncompromising physical aspects of this tier of football, usually a recognised striker front 2 is more effective. Playing 3 at the back with 2 inaffective wing backs screams of deluded.
But, hey what do I know?
The expert Spain Barca PSG play like it, so it must be great eh?
JAB appears to have learned nothing. He neither sets his side up to be attacking, nor makes enough tangible change at right times during matches to demonstrate he goes for it.
Switch to back to basics, play fit players (where's Tom Mehew for instance?), up the tempo in attack and go for it at home ..... Or be doomed.
I predict doom.
0-0
Less than 6500.
JAB out!
* BG 0 striker!
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 9, 2021 6:13:24 GMT
I'd go for something like this. My main doubt is whether it's worth carrying Pitman in his current state. Whelan and Coutts is a weaker pairing than Grant/Evans/Mehew
GK Belshaw
LB Anderton
CB Connor Taylor
CB Harries
RB Hoole
LW Anderson
CM Spence
CM Grant
RW Thomas
FW Nicholson
FW Pitman
Subs
GK Ward
FW Collins
MF Mehew
FW Saunders
DF Clarke
DF Brown
MF Coutts
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2021 7:40:57 GMT
From a cascade of spiteful critique to amateur psychiatry.
Congratulations.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 9, 2021 8:26:36 GMT
We have played Carlisle United 36 times, Winning 14, Losing 13 and 9 draws, we have won 5-2 & 4-0, have also lost 4-0 x 2 & 4-2, with 2 x 0-0 & 7 x 1-1 draws.
Originally called Shaddongate United, Carlisle play at Brunton Park which opened in 1909 and has a capacity of 18,202.
Carlisle's traditional rivals are Workington and Barrow, but as they played each other very rarely, the nearest professional football club was Gretna F.C.
In 2012, market research company FFC surveyed fans of every Football League club across the country to find who they consider their main rivals to be.
Carlisle United fans were unusually shown to consider the more distant Preston North End, Hartlepool United and Middlesbrough as their main rivals.
Carlisle have played in the top 1st division once in the 1974-75 season, beating Champions Derby County 3-0 at home, (also a good 0-0 away draw), Arsenal, Ipswich, Tottenham, Man.City plus Everton & Chelsea home and away.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 9, 2021 8:34:22 GMT
I'd go for something like this. My main doubt is whether it's worth carrying Pitman in his current state. Whelan and Coutts is a weaker pairing than Grant/Evans/Mehew GK Belshaw LB Anderton CB Connor Taylor CB Harries RB Hoole LW Anderson CM Spence CM Grant RW Thomas FW Nicholson FW Pitman Subs GK Ward FW Collins MF Mehew FW Saunders DF Clarke DF Brown MF Coutts Only issues are Grant is injured. Spence is on international duty. Not sure Nicholson is fit enough to start. Is Anderton fit? Mehew and Martinez both played during the weekend but both at Central defenders. Not sure any clues there. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 8:37:33 GMT
From a cascade of spiteful critique to amateur psychiatry. Congratulations. Yep. Barton's pre match interview was definitely both of those. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 9, 2021 9:08:29 GMT
Did I just hear Barton in his Carlisle interview say that he went to church on Wednesday, spent an hour and realised that he has been sent here to join us?. The inside a church has a very special atmosphere. The perfect place to gather your thoughts. Some thoughts. fifteen minutes of pure twaddle :-) |
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 9, 2021 10:08:30 GMT
I'd go for something like this. My main doubt is whether it's worth carrying Pitman in his current state. Whelan and Coutts is a weaker pairing than Grant/Evans/Mehew GK Belshaw LB Anderton CB Connor Taylor CB Harries RB Hoole LW Anderson CM Spence CM Grant RW Thomas FW Nicholson FW Pitman Subs GK Ward FW Collins MF Mehew FW Saunders DF Clarke DF Brown MF Coutts Only issues are Grant is injured. Spence is on international duty. Not sure Nicholson is fit enough to start. Is Anderton fit? Mehew and Martinez both played during the weekend but both at Central defenders. Not sure any clues there. I would pick Phillips too |
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 9, 2021 10:13:08 GMT
Only issues are Grant is injured. Spence is on international duty. Not sure Nicholson is fit enough to start. Is Anderton fit? Mehew and Martinez both played during the weekend but both at Central defenders. Not sure any clues there. I would pick Phillips too According to our leader all of the above returned to training although didn’t know about Spence. 4-4-2 please, players who can at least run, no players who create liabilities for their teammates |
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