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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 4, 2021 9:57:32 GMT
We will win one game in 3 or 4, draw a few and be good enough for lower mid table, I think Barton will get off both charges and Wael will stick with him, we need stability. As opposed to the current instability? Wael's journey to his car on match days will get less savoury the longer Barton is allowed to divide and defame the name of Bristol Rovers FC so I agree, what we need is stability. Barton Out Now! Yes Current instability being since Dec 2019, not last week !! Stability being long term rather than win every game just to keep some people happy. Carefully what you wish for. This time a year ago we sacked a manager with a poor record the previous season and used that as part of the reason. We gave him a window, then he got his players in (to an extent) and left them for the other two to deal with. Sounds very much like what people are asking us to do again. Have you not learned the lessons from last season. Keep him, he might sack himself anyway, but if not, we have a new manager again, with the same constraints as last season and dropping out of the league again is not an option. Sack him and see where it gets us. Honestly. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 14:52:59 GMT
As opposed to the current instability? Wael's journey to his car on match days will get less savoury the longer Barton is allowed to divide and defame the name of Bristol Rovers FC so I agree, what we need is stability. Barton Out Now! Yes Current instability being since Dec 2019, not last week !! Stability being long term rather than win every game just to keep some people happy. Carefully what you wish for. This time a year ago we sacked a manager with a poor record the previous season and used that as part of the reason. We gave him a window, then he got his players in (to an extent) and left them for the other two to deal with. Sounds very much like what people are asking us to do again. Have you not learned the lessons from last season. Keep him, he might sack himself anyway, but if not, we have a new manager again, with the same constraints as last season and dropping out of the league again is not an option. Sack him and see where it gets us. Honestly. I would sack him on the basis that he should never have been employed in the first place. Everything else you say is relevant to a suitable manager and a decent human being, Barton is neither. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 4, 2021 14:55:11 GMT
Yes Current instability being since Dec 2019, not last week !! Stability being long term rather than win every game just to keep some people happy. Carefully what you wish for. This time a year ago we sacked a manager with a poor record the previous season and used that as part of the reason. We gave him a window, then he got his players in (to an extent) and left them for the other two to deal with. Sounds very much like what people are asking us to do again. Have you not learned the lessons from last season. Keep him, he might sack himself anyway, but if not, we have a new manager again, with the same constraints as last season and dropping out of the league again is not an option. Sack him and see where it gets us. Honestly. I would sack him on the basis that he should never have been employed in the first place. Everything else you say is relevant to a suitable manager and a decent human being, Barton is neither. don't hold back - say it how you see it Pop! |
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 4, 2021 15:00:50 GMT
Yes Current instability being since Dec 2019, not last week !! Stability being long term rather than win every game just to keep some people happy. Carefully what you wish for. This time a year ago we sacked a manager with a poor record the previous season and used that as part of the reason. We gave him a window, then he got his players in (to an extent) and left them for the other two to deal with. Sounds very much like what people are asking us to do again. Have you not learned the lessons from last season. Keep him, he might sack himself anyway, but if not, we have a new manager again, with the same constraints as last season and dropping out of the league again is not an option. Sack him and see where it gets us. Honestly. I would sack him on the basis that he should never have been employed in the first place. Everything else you say is relevant to a suitable manager and a decent human being, Barton is neither. You cannot change or control any of that. Neither can I. We have to accept where we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 15:23:49 GMT
I would sack him on the basis that he should never have been employed in the first place. Everything else you say is relevant to a suitable manager and a decent human being, Barton is neither. You cannot change or control any of that. Neither can I. We have to accept where we are. I'm aware of that. This forum is for opinions but the board do take notice of what is said so we can have some influence. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 4, 2021 16:27:09 GMT
Swindon will be thankfull they played us off the park this week, when properly stuffed next week.
Swindon are in deep caca and annihilated next weekend. Half Swindon’s team are on International duty but as it is a TV match they are not allowed to postpone it despite their efforts to do that.
If you agree to be live on TV you, apparently, agree to play the match whatever. So we can watch Ben and his team getting thrashed for a bit of satisfaction. 😁
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Post by gasprom on Oct 4, 2021 16:34:18 GMT
Swindon will be thankfull they played us off the park this week, when properly stuffed next week. Swindon are in deep caca and annihilated next weekend. Half Swindon’s team are on International duty but as it is a TV match they are not allowed to postpone it despite their efforts to do that. If you agree to be live on TV you, apparently, agree to play the match whatever. So we can watch Ben and his team getting thrashed for a bit of satisfaction. 😁 No satisfaction for me if it happens. Garner could have rubbed our noses in it and had every right to after Barton’s comments. He didn’t. Respect to him for that |
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Post by sethstarkadder on Oct 4, 2021 16:36:24 GMT
I would sack him on the basis that he should never have been employed in the first place. Everything else you say is relevant to a suitable manager and a decent human being, Barton is neither. You cannot change or control any of that. Neither can I. We have to accept where we are. I fully accept where we are. A completely unsuitable and inept person was appointed manager. He got us relegated. The payroll has been peopled by his mates. We're currently near the bottom of the 4th division. Looking to the near future: the manager has two assault charges to be heard in the next few months, either of which might absent him from duties for a considerable length of time. What matters is what happens next, preferably with some urgency, because otherwise 'accepting where we are' is just an exercise in misery. 1. Get rid of him and purge his influence. 2. Get rid of Widdrington as well because for the life of me I can't see any benefit to the man and sense he's been a problem for previous (sensible) managers. 3. Take a very long hard look at how this travesty was ever allowed to happen and flush the mindset that ever thought it was acceptable, let alone a good thing. Reasons for not doing that immediately: None whatsoever (with respect to football, integrity, decency, or the good of the football club, all of which shout 'the sooner the better'). So what does that leave: Finance? Face saving? Other considerations? The mind boggles. That's where we are. |
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Post by sethstarkadder on Oct 4, 2021 17:25:35 GMT
Edit: This was supposed to be a reply on the ‘Reasons to keep the arse’ thread, but whatever....
I think there are far too many sackings - good managers don't turn bad overnight (looking at you, Watford). I think the last two sackings here were premature; the one before that (skipping over the resignation), the guy probably needed time out.
The original premise in this thread is spurious: a) build a failing team, get replaced; b) failing teams get relegated; that doesn't mean sacking the manager causes relegation - the correlation is on 'failing' not 'sack'.
This guy got a squad capable of staying up to finish adrift at the bottom. We've now disappeared without trace in the division below, with folk getting optimistic because 'Carlisle might be beatable'. This is nothing to do with good managers turning bad, or even with needing time to click - this bloke's been disastrous since the start (as well as trashing the club's reputation). That's what you should sack for. Bang on.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 4, 2021 17:36:37 GMT
Swindon will be thankfull they played us off the park this week, when properly stuffed next week. Swindon are in deep caca and annihilated next weekend. Half Swindon’s team are on International duty but as it is a TV match they are not allowed to postpone it despite their efforts to do that. If you agree to be live on TV you, apparently, agree to play the match whatever. So we can watch Ben and his team getting thrashed for a bit of satisfaction. 😁 No satisfaction for me if it happens. Garner could have rubbed our noses in it and had every right to after Barton’s comments. He didn’t. Respect to him for that I hate to play the Devils Advocate again, but the alternative view is Swindon didn’t go out there and beat us by playing us off the park, our manager with his tactical mistakes allowed them to do it, fielded a CB who should have been shutting down in midfield and too many Midfielders in Zimmer frames, how are they supposed to quickly get tighter. A near strength Swindon and near Strength Green might have been very watchable. So there you are see, we totally disagree with each other. That’s what forums are about isn’t it, different opinions? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 5, 2021 9:54:36 GMT
I think we need to stand back and accept until things change we are going to have a roller coaster of a season.
It is only fate that is going to change anything. That should probably be from either of the court cases. However I get the impression that both will fizzle out as the manager punching case will have to be done long distance and there have already been issues and the case with his wife will be difficult if neither she nor her friends will engage with the police.
Wael didn't take the opportunity to sack Barton as he is up to his neck with Barton's mates who will be difficult to dislodge. He is too nice a chap and not hardened in business ways enough to read the signs and take action. He has missed his opportunity to build the stadium in the short to medium term. Costs are going against him with land, steel, construction wage prices all increasing rapidly.
Those who moan about the losses, the structure, the directors, the manager, the lack of progress etc have no power to change the current status quo. Unless people get together, get the cash/investors together and come up with a sustainable plan I am afraid the only way they will have influence is picking over the bones of the carcass left when Barton has crippled the club, wasted the cash and WAQ pulls out. I cannot believe he will enjoy the reputation of having taken a club with potential back into the National League or even lower if it crashes and burns and has to do a Macclesfield..... the Western League may be calling!
I don't believe Gasheads have the stomach or determination enough to do a Blackpool and as TWD suggests boycott matches. The Gas have always had a hardcore of supporters who will back the team even in the depths and whoever is in charge.
So that leaves us with a consortium. Anyone up for it or have friends with deep pockets?
Have a good day folks and try not to despair! UTG
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