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Post by alftupper on Sept 5, 2021 6:21:17 GMT
On the few occasions we got the ball down and played (including the goal), we looked good and much better than Crawley. However - we didn't do that for most the game, just lumping it forward and gifting them numerous chances down the flanks. Crawley will feel aggrieved not to have got anything from the game. Very few occasions though. It was embarrassing in how we we staying back and not pushing forward and I thought the ref gave us most of the decisions also. The pitch was superb but we haven’t got a team worthy of it. That was the worst part of it for me. The negative tactics after we went one nil up, were painful to watch. You`d have thought we were away to PSG. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 7:12:33 GMT
Very few occasions though. It was embarrassing in how we we staying back and not pushing forward and I thought the ref gave us most of the decisions also. The pitch was superb but we haven’t got a team worthy of it. That was the worst part of it for me. The negative tactics after we went one nil up, were painful to watch. You`d have thought we were away to PSG. Agree! To use a euro equivalent, we were at the Scotland match being England back in June.... |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 5, 2021 7:18:46 GMT
A clean sheet would perhaps be a sign of improvement. 1 0 to Rovers,but I won't be too disappointed if it's a 0 0. Well predicted that fella,  Thanks BlueTornados,I ought to of put a shilling on that,but did'nt.Haha!🙂 I think the clean sheet a good sign.As JB says,we're going from a very beatable team,to a difficult team to beat. Forget being a 2,3 or 4 0 winning team just yet. We have to 'walk before we can run',as it were. This sort of development. 1.A too easy to beat team. 2.A hard to beat team. 3.A winning team,perhaps with abit of style. I guess we're still moving from 1 to 2,but i think we are actually moving. Whellan may prove to be a vital signing and help see us reach the "hard to beat" stage (2) and become a 'right awkward' team to play. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 7:20:49 GMT
Just got back... Well, well well...a win at the Mem with an unbeaten run, a clean sheet and a few noticeable performances. M o m definitely Stoke bloke, he helped his sometimes ponderous ball watching defenders so much and was everywhere along the back line. Second close m o m was Belshaw. For me, I've seen enough to be confident in his keeping abilities, command of area, shot stopping and general approach. He inspires confidence. Distribution sometimes goes amiss, but by our standards I'm comfortable with his inclusion almost to the point of in front of Jaaks. Leon Clark is exactly the type of forward we've been yearning for since JCH departed....you can see he has quality with his first touch. Awesome size and it hides his ability. Encouraging start. Saunders running through everything. Some good positives. But ... Why are we so defensive v opponents that (until we invited them on to us with Nicholson going off) didn't offer much? Yes, they had their chances but I'm disappointed we we'rnt more attacking. Especially at home. Especially with our bench. Credit to players and management for carving out a win, excellent, every GasHead can enjoy their weekend with England and Gas win within a few days....bit I fear our mid field isn't pumping on full cylinders. Too many unforced errors, not enough movement when we have the ball up front (forcing us to play sideways then inevitably back) and very often left with counter attack of 6 left inside our own half. I'm still not sure about Coutts. (?) Evans I couldn't see any contribution except a great cross for Clarke goal. Grant broke up some play but his easy passing was frustratingly wayward. Nicholson anonymous. I'm not sure these all function as a team, rather than a series of individuals....we looked to have no gameplan when our mid was in possession, so often diagonally hoofed it to bypass... Hey a good win v injury ravished squad, we'll take that, but a lot of work to do in all areas to become a force in this division. Marking in our box. Passing and movement forward. Partnerships in attack. On to a very tough fixture up north ...a completely different proposition. UptheGas! Absolutely nailed it but my biggest frustration was seeing pro players just kick the ball out of play, when under no real pressure or pass it into space where none of our players were and because we only had Clark up top. Amateurish doesn’t cover it. Give him time I hear but do these players have the requisite talent to play as a unit or is Barton telling them to play as they are ? Either way it was awful and people left with no buzz as most know it was a jammy win. I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. |
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Post by alftupper on Sept 5, 2021 7:54:54 GMT
Absolutely nailed it but my biggest frustration was seeing pro players just kick the ball out of play, when under no real pressure or pass it into space where none of our players were and because we only had Clark up top. Amateurish doesn’t cover it. Give him time I hear but do these players have the requisite talent to play as a unit or is Barton telling them to play as they are ? Either way it was awful and people left with no buzz as most know it was a jammy win. I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. Whether we`ve got a manager capable of putting it all together, is open to debate too. The one truly impressive performance I`ve seen under Barton, was the first 45 minutes against Oldham.
The game should have been over by half time. Second half, Oldham manager changes his tactics, and his team start getting a foothold in the game. Barton didn`t attempt to change things to restore our playing advantage, and two points could easily have been needlessly lost. As of yet, I`ve seen very little in our manager to place my trust. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 8:26:40 GMT
I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. Whether we`ve got a manager capable of putting it all together, is open to debate too. The one truly impressive performance I`ve seen under Barton, was the first 45 minutes against Oldham.
The game should have been over by half time. Second half, Oldham manager changes his tactics, and his team start getting a foothold in the game. Barton didn`t attempt to change things to restore our playing advantage, and two points could easily have been needlessly lost. As of yet, I`ve seen very little in our manager to place my trust. I agree! Does he have the nous to check his starting gambit? To add....we were 4 goals down at Exeter before he made changes. Too late. He seems fixated with a change at half time, which he did to his credit yesterday as it reaped immediate rewards. The players and management team are in transition. It's an ongoing process but v Crawley we were lucky winners as opposed to so often being unlucky losers... |
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Post by Delsy on Sept 5, 2021 8:42:42 GMT
Although the win and three points were very welcome I couldn’t help thinking that Crawley looked like ‘ a team’ whereas we just looked like eleven blokes roped together in the car park half an hour before kick off and asked if they all fancied a game of football on a sunny Saturday afternoon.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 8:56:56 GMT
Although the win and three points were very welcome I couldn’t help thinking that Crawley looked like ‘ a team’ whereas we just looked like eleven blokes roped together in the car park half an hour before kick off and asked if they all fancied a game of football on a sunny Saturday afternoon. Where abouts in car park? Just asking for a friend next match.. |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Sept 5, 2021 9:04:10 GMT
Yes we were crap, especially in the first half and if it wasn’t for Tom Nichols doing his impression of Robbie Turner at Twerton on 2/5/90 we would probably have lost.
But we got three points, and there are enough positives to take forward, especially in the Stoke lad, the keeper, having an old school CF on from the start next game and winning some battles in centre midfield. It does seem that we have now reached peak moaning for moaning’s sake.
Piglets sausage roll are still fab as well.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 9:10:09 GMT
Yes we were crap, especially in the first half and if it wasn’t for Tom Nichols doing his impression of Robbie Turner at Twerton on 2/5/90 we would probably have lost. Oh, I like that.....a classic! |
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Post by alftupper on Sept 5, 2021 9:15:04 GMT
But we got three points, and there are enough positives to take forward, especially in the Stoke lad, the keeper, having an old school CF on from the start next game and winning some battles in centre midfield. It does seem that we have now reached peak moaning for moaning’s sake. Moaning has broken? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 5, 2021 9:29:12 GMT
Absolutely nailed it but my biggest frustration was seeing pro players just kick the ball out of play, when under no real pressure or pass it into space where none of our players were and because we only had Clark up top. Amateurish doesn’t cover it. Give him time I hear but do these players have the requisite talent to play as a unit or is Barton telling them to play as they are ? Either way it was awful and people left with no buzz as most know it was a jammy win. I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. Fair comments o2. I found it difficult,watching pro foltballers, albeit 4th tier, look scared. I don’t know if that was due to orders or just blind panic. We did have enough of the ball to move forward but just did not do that. Having watched it I and others nearby, were getting frustrated. It was akin to a fly half kicking for possession and it happened a lot. I think we have some genuinely good individuals but do we have the time to get them to , instinctively. Know where their team mates are ? I will take the win, of course, but feel we wasted an opportunity to push up and score more. Crawley didn’t look good on the occasional counter but we sat so deep that I genuinely can’t make my mind up if this was the plan or that we have some panicky players. Leon Clark shocked me, both in fitness and in how he chased anything close to him & i think we now have the type of striker we have been crying out for. The stoop of his seems to stop the opposition in keeping someone marking him out |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 5, 2021 9:34:07 GMT
Absolutely nailed it but my biggest frustration was seeing pro players just kick the ball out of play, when under no real pressure or pass it into space where none of our players were and because we only had Clark up top. Amateurish doesn’t cover it. Give him time I hear but do these players have the requisite talent to play as a unit or is Barton telling them to play as they are ? Either way it was awful and people left with no buzz as most know it was a jammy win. I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. My biggest regret is that i rarely do away games but, prior to getting sick, i loved it and the positivity of the bulk of the away fans. I’m afraid it’s Swindon and teams around 50 miles as a maximum but i did medicate myself to high heaven, to go to Wycombe. When single, it was an highlight to be entertained at the white Horse. I will leave it at that ! |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 9:46:55 GMT
I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. My biggest regret is that i rarely do away games but, prior to getting sick, i loved it and the positivity of the bulk of the away fans. I’m afraid it’s Swindon and teams around 50 miles as a maximum but i did medicate myself to high heaven, to go to Wycombe. When single, it was an highlight to be entertained at the white Horse. I will leave it at that ! Hey what goes on in the White Horse, stays in White Horse....😉 If you can manage to get to any away game I would urge you to. The atmosphere is much different. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2021 9:52:47 GMT
I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. Fair comments o2. I found it difficult,watching pro foltballers, albeit 4th tier, look scared. I don’t know if that was due to orders or just blind panic. We did have enough of the ball to move forward but just did not do that. Having watched it I and others nearby, were getting frustrated. It was akin to a fly half kicking for possession and it happened a lot. I think we have some genuinely good individuals but do we have the time to get them to , instinctively. Know where their team mates are ? I will take the win, of course, but feel we wasted an opportunity to push up and score more. Crawley didn’t look good on the occasional counter but we sat so deep that I genuinely can’t make my mind up if this was the plan or that we have some panicky players. Leon Clark shocked me, both in fitness and in how he chased anything close to him & i think we now have the type of striker we have been crying out for. The stoop of his seems to stop the opposition in keeping someone marking him out Nice post. We are in transition, it's obvious. Many teams will be glad to play us in this period of time because if we get going, we have potential. We have a blend of youth and experience, some experience is all leagues above, and even international appearances in some parts. If we get going, I believe we have potential to challenge for play off place, so a win whilst playing poorly happens to the best of clubs. Also, we are in revolution of players. When opposition come to us pretty much settled, with a couple of newbies and an established spine if team it shows. Crawley yesterday had many injuries, we were lucky, but we won. We went ahead and saw the match out. That takes courage.... it led to pride.... There's something there. It's encouraging. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 5, 2021 10:17:28 GMT
I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. Whether we`ve got a manager capable of putting it all together, is open to debate too. The one truly impressive performance I`ve seen under Barton, was the first 45 minutes against Oldham.
The game should have been over by half time. Second half, Oldham manager changes his tactics, and his team start getting a foothold in the game. Barton didn`t attempt to change things to restore our playing advantage, and two points could easily have been needlessly lost. As of yet, I`ve seen very little in our manager to place my trust. Ditto, bloody keyboard, going over to Polish, i think his gamę management is truly awful, when i saw 7 minutes added, I didn’t move. I was and am not confident in him, not at all. V |
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 5, 2021 11:29:26 GMT
Yes we were crap, especially in the first half and if it wasn’t for Tom Nichols doing his impression of Robbie Turner at Twerton on 2/5/90 we would probably have lost. But we got three points, and there are enough positives to take forward, especially in the Stoke lad, the keeper, having an old school CF on from the start next game and winning some battles in centre midfield. It does seem that we have now reached peak moaning for moaning’s sake. Piglets sausage roll are still fab as well. I think 'the moaning' is defined by what people think of the manager. The 'Barton is not fit to manage Bristol Rovers' people - will always take the negatives and attack the result. So me (Barton out) - I'm looking at two 1-0 wins against Oldham and Crawley - currently 22nd and 23rd in the table. Against Crawley we were lucky to win by all accounts. I'm looking at inferior possession, shots, shots on target, corners against a poor Crawley side. Others (Barton is great) - will look at the result, draw positives wherever they can and say Rovers were due a bit of luck. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But sadly the battle lines are drawn with how people perceive the Barton appointment. United we stand, divided we fall. |
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Post by chelt_gas on Sept 5, 2021 11:39:19 GMT
I fell asleep on 60 minutes. But from my I-Player view we didn't control the game and they had the better of the opportunities.
Kilgour needs a few games under his belt but he was spraying passes to the left wing with aplomb, just a shame he was spraying passes to his next man with as much accuracy as a cat in season. He'll get better.
Our forwards didn't do much in the first half - maybe it was a supply issue.
It's funny how Barton pleads fans to give his squad time to bed in...so after 4 games he decides to throw the new guy straight into the first 11 after barely 48-hours at the club. I bet Luke Thomas was peed off.
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Post by alftupper on Sept 5, 2021 11:52:00 GMT
I don't know is answering your question honestly! But I look back to when we beat Blackpool in 2020 under BG, which was a spawny win. Alfie hit a wind assisted thunder shot, and jml deflected a goal in but apart from that it was all Blackpool. The difference is, I do see a passion there.... Taylor was immense in defence, the keeper is on form....... it's not exact analogy, but I have more faith in today's squad and direction because many of them have performed well elsewhere. Whether they can integrate here is a different matter. I will take the win, of course, but feel we wasted an opportunity to push up and score more. Crawley didn’t look good on the occasional counter but we sat so deep that I genuinely can’t make my mind up if this was the plan or that we have some panicky players. Pretty sure that it was the plan. If Barton had wanted the midfield to push up and support our attack, he wouldn`t have stood there in silence when they didn`t. He`d have been urging them on. Once we went one up, we adopted a, what we have we hold, mentality. Away from home, it would be understandable. At home, it was desperate stuff. We can but hope that we go on a decent run now, and that will encourage us to play more expansive football.
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