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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 25, 2020 7:29:58 GMT
That was so frustrating to watch. Like watching kids football at times, mainly due to desperately rooting for them to score, standing on the side, willing the ball to go in, but knowing they lacked that kid that all other teams seem to have, the goalscorer.
Look at our last 6 games before PT though, what needed sorting? 14 goals conceded, no clean sheets, when you're a manager you want the team to get used to shut outs, build the base and work from there.
Looking at how crap Swindon and Wigan are I would expect Garner to feel upset he didn't have a go against them, tough. I do think we might have won playing his way against them, but long term it was the right call to sack him.
But for a kids football piece of goalkeeping on Saturday, we would have 2 clean sheets to build on after conceding 14 in the last 6.
Tisdale will likely be happier with the defending than we are but he is working, he is doing what he is paid to do, let's see how it goes home to Gillingham where we need a decent performance to try and make the Mem a fortress again, our home form is the 2nd worst in the league. Write your own list, what needs sorting, conceding goals was the start.
There was a lot to give us hope last night, release the shackles a little bit and we will score, we had good enough chances to win, Nicholson's was bad, you can't spin that any way. It was bad.
We looked good in midfield all game, Oztumer does need to start earning his keep with a goal or two though, maybe saving him for next week.
I liked 4-2-3-1, gave us some proper width.
At least we know we have a chance of shutting up shop if we do get ahead.
How crap were Wigan, they would go down from L2 let down L1. 7 years ago they were in the Prem and won the FA Cup. The elastic band strikes again a la Bolton.
I have now seen the worst throw in of all time. The one where we got a corner from it. Never seen it in kids football and likely never will.
Pick yourself up boys, gutting not to win, but build from here. Otherwise we're deluded that we learned anything from last nights game.
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Post by danrory on Nov 25, 2020 7:39:35 GMT
I think it says a lot about the breakdown between board and Garner that he was sacked when he was...clearly a) they did not want him to have these games (as chances are he would have won them and b) wanted the new man to have a couple of gimmees to justify their decision
Mmm...so much for best laid plans
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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 25, 2020 7:48:21 GMT
I think it says a lot about the breakdown between board and Garner that he was sacked when he was...clearly a) they did not want him to have these games (as chances are he would have won them and b) wanted the new man to have a couple of gimmees to justify their decision Mmm...so much for best laid plans Good point well made |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 25, 2020 11:50:53 GMT
Sorry I'm not buying this revisionist stuff about how we would have won the last 2 games playing the 'Ben Garner way'. There was no Ben Garner way in the end - we were a poor side playing very poorly. With no confidence, shape or structure and leaking goals like a sieve. There was a brief period where we did have some of that at the end of September going into October but it dissapeared and Garner showed no evidence of being able to bring it back.
I'm afraid I think the idea that a)Garner bought in a talented bunch of players (they continue to look pretty damn ordinary to me - a few nice eye catching touches in midfield is not 'talent') and b)he imposed a progressive footballing style both completely fail to stand up to any kind of evidence in my view.
We were going down the pan fast under a manager who had one of the worst records in our entire history - I saw nothing at all to suggest BG had what it took to arrest the slide. There was no Garner project - there was just an incoherent mess overseen by a man who was clearly miles out of his depth. We now have a manager who has to pick up the pieces from that shambles and it might take a while. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 12:13:39 GMT
I think it says a lot about the breakdown between board and Garner that he was sacked when he was...clearly a) they did not want him to have these games (as chances are he would have won them and b) wanted the new man to have a couple of gimmees to justify their decision Mmm...so much for best laid plans I love a good old conspiracy theory! Last night wasn’t brilliant but the attitude, approach, pattern of play was far better than Saturday and far, far, far better than that against Fleetwood. It was just unfortunate that after all the buffering, fouling, non protection he’s had Hanlan was injured for last night. He’s taken a good deal of punishment, imo, in every match he’s played. Surprised he’s lasted until now before being out injured. If BG has won more matches and shown more ability to gel the individuals into a team and solve individual defensive errors he’d still be there. He didn’t do that so he’s gone. Several things could be levelled at our owner but not supporting BG is not one of them. UTG! |
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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 25, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
Sorry I'm not buying this revisionist stuff about how we would have won the last 2 games playing the 'Ben Garner way'. There was no Ben Garner way in the end - we were a poor side playing very poorly. With no confidence, shape or structure and leaking goals like a sieve. There was a brief period where we did have some of that at the end of September going into October but it dissapeared and Garner showed no evidence of being able to bring it back.
I'm afraid I think the idea that a)Garner bought in a talented bunch of players (they continue to look pretty damn ordinary to me - a few nice eye catching touches in midfield is not 'talent') and b)he imposed a progressive footballing style both completely fail to stand up to any kind of evidence in my view.
We were going down the pan fast under a manager who had one of the worst records in our entire history - I saw nothing at all to suggest BG had what it took to arrest the slide. There was no Garner project - there was just an incoherent mess overseen by a man who was clearly miles out of his depth. We now have a manager who has to pick up the pieces from that shambles and it might take a while. My point was that Swindon and Wigan were far worse than Fleetwood and we would have attacked them a bit more than we did, I'm glad he was sacked. We might have won 3-2, certainly last night, but the style was different. Those two sides were poor. |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 25, 2020 12:29:50 GMT
Sorry I'm not buying this revisionist stuff about how we would have won the last 2 games playing the 'Ben Garner way'. There was no Ben Garner way in the end - we were a poor side playing very poorly. With no confidence, shape or structure and leaking goals like a sieve. There was a brief period where we did have some of that at the end of September going into October but it dissapeared and Garner showed no evidence of being able to bring it back.
I'm afraid I think the idea that a)Garner bought in a talented bunch of players (they continue to look pretty damn ordinary to me - a few nice eye catching touches in midfield is not 'talent') and b)he imposed a progressive footballing style both completely fail to stand up to any kind of evidence in my view.
We were going down the pan fast under a manager who had one of the worst records in our entire history - I saw nothing at all to suggest BG had what it took to arrest the slide. There was no Garner project - there was just an incoherent mess overseen by a man who was clearly miles out of his depth. We now have a manager who has to pick up the pieces from that shambles and it might take a while. My point was that Swindon and Wigan were far worse than Fleetwood and we would have attacked them a bit more than we did, I'm glad he was sacked. We might have won 3-2, certainly last night, but the style was different. Those two sides were poor. I certainly agree that there was something odd in the timing of Garner's sacking that was a bit strange but I can't share that view. We looked like a side that was not responding to the manager anymore. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 25, 2020 13:34:49 GMT
My point was that Swindon and Wigan were far worse than Fleetwood and we would have attacked them a bit more than we did, I'm glad he was sacked. We might have won 3-2, certainly last night, but the style was different. Those two sides were poor. I certainly agree that there was something odd in the timing of Garner's sacking that was a bit strange but I can't share that view. We looked like a side that was not responding to the manager anymore. I think you're probably right, it didn't take them long to not respond to him. |
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