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Post by alftupper on Sept 19, 2021 15:48:13 GMT
Mark Little alluded to it in an interview, and I've heard from people who played under him, but whatever. The question remains, if alienating the squad gets you sacked, why is Barton still here after the way he treated Ehmer last season? Do that to one player and everybody instantly understands that they could be next. This from Ehmer himself; So, unless Ehmer is misrepresenting what happened, it looks like on top of all of his other faults, Barton is a bit two faced as well. Barton sent the team back out onto the pitch, after just five minutes of the half time interval yesterday. They stood around sheepishly for another five minutes, until Orient rejoined them. Surprised more people haven`t commented on it. Anyway, what do you think that will do the relationship between players and manager?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 19:00:21 GMT
The question remains, if alienating the squad gets you sacked, why is Barton still here after the way he treated Ehmer last season? Do that to one player and everybody instantly understands that they could be next. This from Ehmer himself; So, unless Ehmer is misrepresenting what happened, it looks like on top of all of his other faults, Barton is a bit two faced as well. Barton sent the team back out onto the pitch, after just five minutes of the half time interval yesterday. They stood around sheepishly for another five minutes, until Orient rejoined them. Surprised more people haven`t commented on it. Anyway, what do you think that will do the relationship between players and manager?
Sounds like a pathetically transparent attempt at suggesting that the players had been told that they were doing the wrong things, Barton knows what's what, explained it all in 3 minutes flat and sent them straight back out to correct the error of their ways. He really is a grade A chump. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 19, 2021 19:36:30 GMT
Barton sent the team back out onto the pitch, after just five minutes of the half time interval yesterday. They stood around sheepishly for another five minutes, until Orient rejoined them. Surprised more people haven`t commented on it. Anyway, what do you think that will do the relationship between players and manager?
Sounds like a pathetically transparent attempt at suggesting that the players had been told that they were doing the wrong things, Barton knows what's what, explained it all in 3 minutes flat and sent them straight back out to correct the error of their ways. He really is a grade A chump. Sending the players out so quick suggests it’s the players fault not manager. The naughty useless boys hadn’t been doing what the boss had told them. All they needed really was fire in their belly teacups across the back of the head and boots in their faces in order to put in a better performance? Yet at same time manager switched to back 4, 2 up? Putting Grant to right back. his back 3 has not worked all season. He’s made a much changed personnel line up on match by match basis, with a lot of what to us looks wrong pegs in wrong holes. And how well did he know a lot of these players before signing them? Francis signed Bruno (by then in a different trade) on basis of having played against him. Before the season pundits predicted great things from us because of our recruitment. fourfourtwo predicts we finish second. “controller Paul Coutts, ball-winner Sam Finley, defensive organiser Mark Hughes and left-sided defender Nick Anderton - all been named captain previously in their respective careers. Aaron Collins and Harvey Saunders sign from Forest Green and Fleetwood while Luke Thomas joins on loan from Barnsley, with the trio plus Hanlan all being quick, willing runners.” How many started yesterday? Where was Hughes? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 19, 2021 19:48:00 GMT
The question remains, if alienating the squad gets you sacked, why is Barton still here after the way he treated Ehmer last season? Do that to one player and everybody instantly understands that they could be next. This from Ehmer himself; So, unless Ehmer is misrepresenting what happened, it looks like on top of all of his other faults, Barton is a bit two faced as well. The difference is, that was an incident with one player (not saying it was the right way to deal with it), others in the dressing room could see that Ehmer was too laid back with his approach to the captain's role, and his performances on the pitch. Therefore, they knew where the bar was set with regards to expectations, so it was in their own hands as to whether they were "next". Yes. Head on pike to create a fear factor. There’s argument if such a thing should be public though, or it may seem he is playing to the galleries to buy himself time, similar to public career assassination of the previously sacked managers, and uncomfortable reference to cutting out the cancer he has found (one bit of which was unfit players he couldn’t get on pitch?). Create a bit of fear for first team place yes. But was there not a bit more than that? Public career assassination? “I changed next to him as a youngster, mistakes he’s making there still making now.” Is it really the right thing to go public with that? Someone’s playing quite well over run of 4 games, on fifth game makes a bad mistake - and is dropped. I personally think managers who drop good performing playing over that one mistake are idiot managers, those managers always seem to be the ones who fail. Cooper at FGR being classic example. |
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 19, 2021 20:43:26 GMT
Oh Duke - that is gutter politics, using Ehmer word of mouth, that is one side of a story, to bolster a point you a trying to make, your own twisted Barton hating agenda. How do you that this isn’t twist, spin and bile from Ehmer? on the other hand, I concede, Ehmer come across as trying to make a point in his defence, and very diplomatically and politely, yet his point is clear. If his side of it is factually correct, maybe it doesn’t show Barton and his methods in a very good light at all. We have to remember just how many fans quickly supported Barton’s take on this and the backlash against a player playing on through injury in a struggling mismanaged side, a backlash from supporters who were duped by a conniving manager on player whose actually being scapegoated for the tinkering and wrong calls of management and director of football. Here’s a question for you then, we like to think our club does due diligence on everyone signed, are they being brought in because their skill set brings something to improve the first eleven, is their character the right stuff, their personality fit in, are medicals taken seriously, no matter what someone’s age is, few in current squad older than Ronaldo yet Michael Owen by 30 was getting medical saying he won’t play for you much this season because… Are you getting a feel there has been due diligence on the players brought in this Great Reset? 2 things. Firstly that wasn't the topic, not at all. It was about Barton publicly using Ehmer as an excuse for failure, which he most certainly appeared to do to me and whether it's possible to maintain trust after doing that. I say you've already shown what you are capable of, so the cat's out of the bag. Look at Wenger, no matter what, even to the point of complete farce he defended his players, they knew, no matter what, he had their backs. Ehmer's piece came after the event. Same for Ferguson, Van Nistilrooy Kung-Fu kicks Vieira, it's Vieira's fault, clear as day, my player did nothing wrong. To your next question. That should be directed to Widdrington. Why Widdrington? His role is player placement for loans. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:01:25 GMT
2 things. Firstly that wasn't the topic, not at all. It was about Barton publicly using Ehmer as an excuse for failure, which he most certainly appeared to do to me and whether it's possible to maintain trust after doing that. I say you've already shown what you are capable of, so the cat's out of the bag. Look at Wenger, no matter what, even to the point of complete farce he defended his players, they knew, no matter what, he had their backs. Ehmer's piece came after the event. Same for Ferguson, Van Nistilrooy Kung-Fu kicks Vieira, it's Vieira's fault, clear as day, my player did nothing wrong. To your next question. That should be directed to Widdrington. Why Widdrington? His role is player placement for loans. He was head of recruitment. When did that change? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:14:53 GMT
Does anyone know the attendance yesterday? 6,172 (551 away) Almost back to the faithful 5000 |
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 19, 2021 21:22:00 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Sept 19, 2021 21:26:00 GMT
On JB telling us he could give Rovers their "day in the sun",I hope he was'nt talking about yesterdays wheather.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:27:17 GMT
Fair enough. Thanks for the correction. So now he's just part of the BoD that hasn't called time of this madness. We aren't getting promoted this season with Barton in charge, that's obvious to everybody already, so what are we waiting for, by Barton's own standards he has to go. As said previously, it's a funny old time at Rovers. Widdrington's reward for abject failure, a place on the BoD. What have I failed to understand here? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 19, 2021 21:52:37 GMT
Where was Hughes?
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 19, 2021 21:59:36 GMT
Thought it was said he had a knock, or strain. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 19, 2021 22:16:13 GMT
Fair enough. Thanks for the correction. So now he's just part of the BoD that hasn't called time of this madness. We aren't getting promoted this season with Barton in charge, that's obvious to everybody already, so what are we waiting for, by Barton's own standards he has to go. As said previously, it's a funny old time at Rovers. Widdrington's reward for abject failure, a place on the BoD. What have I failed to understand here? I don't think he's on the BoD now is he? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 22:37:34 GMT
Fair enough. Thanks for the correction. So now he's just part of the BoD that hasn't called time of this madness. We aren't getting promoted this season with Barton in charge, that's obvious to everybody already, so what are we waiting for, by Barton's own standards he has to go. As said previously, it's a funny old time at Rovers. Widdrington's reward for abject failure, a place on the BoD. What have I failed to understand here? I don't think he's on the BoD now is he? According to Wiki he's still on the BoD. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Widdrington |
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Post by axegas on Sept 19, 2021 22:43:29 GMT
Fair enough. Thanks for the correction. So now he's just part of the BoD that hasn't called time of this madness. We aren't getting promoted this season with Barton in charge, that's obvious to everybody already, so what are we waiting for, by Barton's own standards he has to go. As said previously, it's a funny old time at Rovers. Widdrington's reward for abject failure, a place on the BoD. What have I failed to understand here? I don't think he's on the BoD now is he? He’s still on the board, that never got taken away from him. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 20, 2021 6:36:37 GMT
Thanks for that - strange situation isn't it? |
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Post by alftupper on Sept 20, 2021 6:39:52 GMT
Sounds like a pathetically transparent attempt at suggesting that the players had been told that they were doing the wrong things, Barton knows what's what, explained it all in 3 minutes flat and sent them straight back out to correct the error of their ways. He really is a grade A chump. Sending the players out so quick suggests it’s the players fault not manager. The naughty useless boys hadn’t been doing what the boss had told them. All they needed really was fire in their belly teacups across the back of the head and boots in their faces in order to put in a better performance? It doesn`t suggest that at all. It suggests, it`s how Barton sees things. If the players don`t see it that way, then how long before the relationship between the two parties break down completely.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 20, 2021 7:46:28 GMT
Fair enough. Thanks for the correction. So now he's just part of the BoD that hasn't called time of this madness. We aren't getting promoted this season with Barton in charge, that's obvious to everybody already, so what are we waiting for, by Barton's own standards he has to go. As said previously, it's a funny old time at Rovers. Widdrington's reward for abject failure, a place on the BoD. What have I failed to understand here? Only at Rovers. Widdrington assembled a squad on a healthy budget that managed to get relegated in bottom place in League 1, 10 points from safety. As a reward he was promoted to the Board and his sole job was to then loan out the same players he signed who were obviously not good enough in the first place. I presume when they're all loaned out, his employment will be terminated? Because he won't have a job to do. Perhaps he's holding a few back to retain his position. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 20, 2021 8:00:01 GMT
Sounds like a pathetically transparent attempt at suggesting that the players had been told that they were doing the wrong things, Barton knows what's what, explained it all in 3 minutes flat and sent them straight back out to correct the error of their ways. He really is a grade A chump. Sending the players out so quick suggests it’s the players fault not manager. The naughty useless boys hadn’t been doing what the boss had told them. All they needed really was fire in their belly teacups across the back of the head and boots in their faces in order to put in a better performance? Yet at same time manager switched to back 4, 2 up? Putting Grant to right back. his back 3 has not worked all season. He’s made a much changed personnel line up on match by match basis, with a lot of what to us looks wrong pegs in wrong holes. And how well did he know a lot of these players before signing them? Francis signed Bruno (by then in a different trade) on basis of having played against him. Before the season pundits predicted great things from us because of our recruitment. fourfourtwo predicts we finish second. “controller Paul Coutts, ball-winner Sam Finley, defensive organiser Mark Hughes and left-sided defender Nick Anderton - all been named captain previously in their respective careers. Aaron Collins and Harvey Saunders sign from Forest Green and Fleetwood while Luke Thomas joins on loan from Barnsley, with the trio plus Hanlan all being quick, willing runners.” How many started yesterday? Where was Hughes? It looks like Barton feels they are not fit enough but, to me, it looks like players who have come for a final pay packet. Their best days behind them and certainly not up to the much more physical L2 |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 20, 2021 8:04:16 GMT
On JB telling us he could give Rovers their "day in the sun",I hope he was'nt talking about yesterdays wheather. I certainly am not walking around with my chest pumped out and with pride in the club, i normally would have said my club but it feels alien to me now and i do not feel i play a part in anything. Christ on a bike, even my ted mates aren’t taking the p155 |
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