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Post by basel on Apr 21, 2021 9:25:20 GMT
Whilst it is clear that this squad isn't good enough, I think we have to be really careful how we proceed this summer. I can't think of a single instance over the last 25 years where we have recruited a new squad over the summer and followed it up with a good season. We've been successful when the likes of Trollope and Clarke have built on the squad they inherited from previous managers. The year we ended up in the conference, we had 7 players who were regulars that had been involved the previous season. The two good years we had under Holloway were a culmination of two year rebuilds. I think if Barton stays and decides he needs to start again with a completely new squad, he will find it very difficult to get us challenging next season. Not every signing will work out and history tells us that new teams take a while to bed in. Barton will be gone by Christmas if we are in the bottom half next year. I think an organiser at centre half, a goal scorer and a ball winner in midfield could be enough to get us competing at the right end of the table next season but the manager has to carry these players with him, something he has completely failed to do. I can't see JB starting next season with a "completely new squad" Jackthe Gas. A few strategic signings to compliment the current players he wants to work with. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 21, 2021 10:02:42 GMT
Whilst it is clear that this squad isn't good enough, I think we have to be really careful how we proceed this summer. I can't think of a single instance over the last 25 years where we have recruited a new squad over the summer and followed it up with a good season. We've been successful when the likes of Trollope and Clarke have built on the squad they inherited from previous managers. The year we ended up in the conference, we had 7 players who were regulars that had been involved the previous season. The two good years we had under Holloway were a culmination of two year rebuilds. wise words IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 10:03:42 GMT
It's at the point where if he had any self awareness, or self respect he would apologise and walk away. But don't hold your breath. When Punchy arrived we had 27 points from 28 games, 0.96 PPG. Endless soundbites about the 'blue half of Bristol' and 'no doubt about avoiding relegation', well, his record is P15, W3 D2 L10 PPG 0.73. Today's excuse? The players use chewing tobacco. Garner and Tisdale could'nt turn it around.Personally I think Garner should never of got the job and Tisdale needed time. Barton needs time.It's obvious. It's also obvious that those with a personal dislike of Rovers manager have allowed that dislike to dictate and blur commonsense football views. Joey Barton clearly needs the Summer. It might be that his possibly more abrasive style has'nt worked with our current squad of 'darlings'.Barton needs his type of player. It would be imo another mistake not to give Joey the whip hand,a chance to sign his players and have a go at the 4th tier. Get a grip Bas. If we concentrate just on the football and ignore what a loathsome character Barton has been, he was brought in to avoid relegation, he made things worse, much worse, and by his own admission, he said there was enough ability in this squad to retain their position in L1, well, that didn't work out so well, did it. After every defeat there's an excuse, they've become increasingly bizarre. They started with the standard deflection of blaming officials, now we've moved on to chewing tobacco. Last night's post-match interview could well end up being used on TV quiz shows, you know the sort of thing, 'Guess what excuse the manager gave for losing the game'. 1. The referee was suffering from explosive diarrhoea. 2. The playing surface was slippery due to migrating frogs. 3. The players were all off their t1ts on chewing tobacco. |
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Post by irishrover on Apr 21, 2021 10:20:34 GMT
Whilst it is clear that this squad isn't good enough, I think we have to be really careful how we proceed this summer. I can't think of a single instance over the last 25 years where we have recruited a new squad over the summer and followed it up with a good season. We've been successful when the likes of Trollope and Clarke have built on the squad they inherited from previous managers. The year we ended up in the conference, we had 7 players who were regulars that had been involved the previous season. The two good years we had under Holloway were a culmination of two year rebuilds. I think if Barton stays and decides he needs to start again with a completely new squad, he will find it very difficult to get us challenging next season. Not every signing will work out and history tells us that new teams take a while to bed in. Barton will be gone by Christmas if we are in the bottom half next year. I think an organiser at centre half, a goal scorer and a ball winner in midfield could be enough to get us competing at the right end of the table next season but the manager has to carry these players with him, something he has completely failed to do. There is nothing worth buying into about the club at the moment as far as I can see. This a terrible squad with a thoroughly dislikeable manager who could still end up in jail in the summer and owners who have made a whole series of embarrassing decisions. I see nothing to build on and I see the decline continuiing. |
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Post by richmace on Apr 21, 2021 12:52:00 GMT
Whilst it is clear that this squad isn't good enough, I think we have to be really careful how we proceed this summer. I can't think of a single instance over the last 25 years where we have recruited a new squad over the summer and followed it up with a good season. We've been successful when the likes of Trollope and Clarke have built on the squad they inherited from previous managers. The year we ended up in the conference, we had 7 players who were regulars that had been involved the previous season. The two good years we had under Holloway were a culmination of two year rebuilds. I think if Barton stays and decides he needs to start again with a completely new squad, he will find it very difficult to get us challenging next season. Not every signing will work out and history tells us that new teams take a while to bed in. Barton will be gone by Christmas if we are in the bottom half next year. I think an organiser at centre half, a goal scorer and a ball winner in midfield could be enough to get us competing at the right end of the table next season but the manager has to carry these players with him, something he has completely failed to do. You are correct. The addition of those key individuals would have kept us up this year, and should make us competitive next season. There is great risk in starting again.
The trouble is that JB has laid the blame on the players in public. I would not want to work for a manager like that, let alone give my heart and soul to the cause. |
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 21, 2021 13:56:58 GMT
Whilst it is clear that this squad isn't good enough, I think we have to be really careful how we proceed this summer. I can't think of a single instance over the last 25 years where we have recruited a new squad over the summer and followed it up with a good season. We've been successful when the likes of Trollope and Clarke have built on the squad they inherited from previous managers. The year we ended up in the conference, we had 7 players who were regulars that had been involved the previous season. The two good years we had under Holloway were a culmination of two year rebuilds. I think if Barton stays and decides he needs to start again with a completely new squad, he will find it very difficult to get us challenging next season. Not every signing will work out and history tells us that new teams take a while to bed in. Barton will be gone by Christmas if we are in the bottom half next year. I think an organiser at centre half, a goal scorer and a ball winner in midfield could be enough to get us competing at the right end of the table next season but the manager has to carry these players with him, something he has completely failed to do. You are correct. The addition of those key individuals would have kept us up this year, and should make us competitive next season. There is great risk in starting again.
The trouble is that JB has laid the blame on the players in public. I would not want to work for a manager like that, let alone give my heart and soul to the cause. Keeps bloody quoting about success at Fleetwood too. I must have missed that bit plus he had a lot more to spend there. This has all the hallmarks of the Buckle period and subsequent slide into NL. We are, very much, a club in crisis. |
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Post by gasheadpirate on Apr 21, 2021 15:41:44 GMT
How can a side that has not won more than two on the trot lol season and score less than one per game be expected to win four on the bounce? Fantasy football. We re down. Accept the inevitable. You will feel better for it. Have we won 2 in a row since the ridiculous decision to appoint Garner? I was being optimistic. 😂 |
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Post by richmace on Apr 21, 2021 16:10:14 GMT
You are correct. The addition of those key individuals would have kept us up this year, and should make us competitive next season. There is great risk in starting again.
The trouble is that JB has laid the blame on the players in public. I would not want to work for a manager like that, let alone give my heart and soul to the cause. Keeps bloody quoting about success at Fleetwood too. I must have missed that bit plus he had a lot more to spend there. This has all the hallmarks of the Buckle period and subsequent slide into NL. We are, very much, a club in crisis. I really hope that you are wrong, but what you are saying does make sense and is a likely outcome...
I am hoping that JB is able to deliver, but that is the hope of a football fan and not based on any logic whatsoever!
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 22, 2021 16:08:27 GMT
Keeps bloody quoting about success at Fleetwood too. I must have missed that bit plus he had a lot more to spend there. This has all the hallmarks of the Buckle period and subsequent slide into NL. We are, very much, a club in crisis. I really hope that you are wrong, but what you are saying does make sense and is a likely outcome...
I am hoping that JB is able to deliver, but that is the hope of a football fan and not based on any logic whatsoever!
I obviously hope I am wrong also but 1) I don’t see JB getting anywhere near the budget he maybe thinks he will get 2) financial fair play is still in play and 3) we have contracted players. There is also the point that he has not been successful and is, very much, a rookie himself. I don’t hate someone I don’t know but, based upon his ability to deflect and also talk up himself, leads me to think he is not close to having the knowledge to rebuild any club & I don’t believe in him. I am genuinely worried we are in the final throes as the club we are. It’s worrying but what do I know |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2021 8:51:22 GMT
You are correct. The addition of those key individuals would have kept us up this year, and should make us competitive next season. There is great risk in starting again.
The trouble is that JB has laid the blame on the players in public. I would not want to work for a manager like that, let alone give my heart and soul to the cause. . I must have missed that bit plus he had a lot more to spend there. This has all the hallmarks of the Buckle period and subsequent slide into NL. We are, very much, a club in crisis. I guess if you say it enough times, the simple minded who can't be bothered to look up the facts, simply just believe it. Fair play to Mr Barton - he has a fair number of our supporters believing every word he says. Prepare yourself for a shock. I'm not one of them. |
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 23, 2021 8:54:27 GMT
Keeps bloody quoting about success at Fleetwood too. I must have missed that bit plus he had a lot more to spend there. This has all the hallmarks of the Buckle period and subsequent slide into NL. We are, very much, a club in crisis. I guess if you say it enough times, the simple minded who can't be bothered to look up the facts, simply just believe it. Fair play to Mr Barton - he has a fair number of our supporters believing every word he says. Prepare yourself for a shock. I'm not one of them. Bit like some on here? Not talking believing in Barton either. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Apr 23, 2021 8:56:43 GMT
I guess if you say it enough times, the simple minded who can't be bothered to look up the facts, simply just believe it. Fair play to Mr Barton - he has a fair number of our supporters believing every word he says. Prepare yourself for a shock. I'm not one of them. Bit like some on here? Not talking believing in Barton either. Barton reminds me of Ollie with what he says. Very forthright and honest. |
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 23, 2021 9:00:01 GMT
Bit like some on here? Not talking believing in Barton either. Barton reminds me of Ollie with what he says. Very forthright and honest. But what us his plan? |
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Post by mangogas15 on Apr 23, 2021 9:04:57 GMT
Barton reminds me of Ollie with what he says. Very forthright and honest. But what us his plan? Remains to be seen, i wouldn't mind drawing the odd game 0-0 playing counter attack, that is my preference as a former coach. |
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 23, 2021 10:12:26 GMT
Remains to be seen, i wouldn't mind drawing the odd game 0-0 playing counter attack, that is my preference as a former coach. No his BIG plan! Playing style is another issue. Yup agree with your style as long as we don't start chasing ref's and trying to con them. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 23, 2021 10:21:34 GMT
Bit like some on here? Not talking believing in Barton either. Barton reminds me of Ollie with what he says. Very forthright and honest. I think he's honestly representing what is in his brain The problem is that the main contents of his brain are 'it's their fault, not mine', 'he started it', and 'I'm great, aren't I' |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 23, 2021 15:14:08 GMT
Bit like some on here? Not talking believing in Barton either. Barton reminds me of Ollie with what he says. Very forthright and honest. Talks some 💩 as well. Where is this success, at Fleetwood then ? |
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 23, 2021 16:07:34 GMT
Barton reminds me of Ollie with what he says. Very forthright and honest. Talks some 💩 as well. Where is this success, at Fleetwood then ? He has had minor success at Fleetwood, the stats are P128, W51, D36, L41 = 39.8 % Win Rate. Finished in 11th place in 1st season, lost in play-offs 6-3 on agg in 2nd season in charge. At BRFC the stats are P15, W3, D2, L10 = 20.0 % Win Rate - Almost Certain Relegation. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Apr 23, 2021 19:40:27 GMT
Barton reminds me of Ollie with what he says. Very forthright and honest. Talks some 💩 as well. Where is this success, at Fleetwood then ? Came 5th |
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