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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 22:44:15 GMT
it’s his money you are sure, not added to club debt? Well I doubt the money has just gone away. Eg, the club debt should have stood at 0 the minute Wael wrote it off, right? So the value of the club (as it’s clearly a loss making enterprise) is roughly the net value of all its assets (pretty much the stadium) so if you offered Wael 15 million for the club to cover the cost of the stadium he’d take it right?......right? Or do you think he would want his money back for the debt he had previously paid off + the 15 million for the stadium? Wael might claim to be a Gashead but I’ll bet one thing he’s not is a charity. if so then we should be very upset at culture of waste, rather than merely bemused at ineptitude |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 22:50:55 GMT
the loanees we might just be covering part or none of it? quite a lot of high earners nowhere near first team at moment rings true (many pre date Ben!) Nicholson under paid in comparison (agent please note lol) kinda sensed the five man board actually think agents are here to help them succeed, so VFM has gone out the window. flat rate is but tip of iceberg, win, cleanie and goal bonuses as well as appearance fee is on top of that. Not that they are keeping clean sheets, winning games or scoring goals 😃. Wasn’t there the time Francis left and the new manager inherited a dressing room at war because the wags had spilled the bonus beans on a night out, there was such disparity the manager went down a flight of stairs in the argy. Luke Leahy less than Tutona and Ali? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 22:52:56 GMT
****** isn’t it.
And on that note, goodnight. Will the last one out please turn off the stadium lights?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 23, 2021 23:51:36 GMT
it’s his money you are sure, not added to club debt? Well I doubt the money has just gone away. Eg, the club debt should have stood at 0 the minute Wael wrote it off, right? So the value of the club (as it’s clearly a loss making enterprise) is roughly the net value of all its assets (pretty much the stadium) so if you offered Wael 15 million for the club to cover the cost of the stadium he’d take it right?......right? Or do you think he would want his money back for the debt he had previously paid off + the 15 million for the stadium? Wael might claim to be a Gashead but I’ll bet one thing he’s not is a charity. For someone buying Rovers as a football club I would put the asset value of the Mem at 2.75 million. But I doubt anyone would offer any money for a relegation threatened League 1 club losing about 80 000 a week and heavily in debt. They would wait until a formal restructuring had to take place which, in normal circumstances, could be a smooth process leading to a clean slate and fresh start. But with our owner holding a 10 million charge over the Mem, and likely to be reluctant to let go, our very existence could be threatened. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 24, 2021 7:50:03 GMT
That's it.... we're doomed!
I've thought very strongly now our name was on the bullet, it's just a matter of time before confirmation.
v Swindle we couldn't get basics right. Too many touches to control the ball, no free flowing passing, little or no flank play, no movement on the ball closing down our options, and of course no one blocked the shot again....
Some better marking in the box, but all to no avail if there's 4 defenders in front of the trajectory of the ball and everyone's ball watching. Again. We just didn't want it enough and it's the story of a very sorry season.
Again..... officials decision tend to go against us, not just the wrongly disallowed goal, but a classic Upson booking!? A 50/50 non malicious challenge that the ref got yellow out basically because of opponents reaction. That amazingly thoroughly recovered from seconds later....I know gamesmanship is unfortunately part of the game, but we've appeared to fallen foul of it more times than not this season.
No one player had a complete stinker.
No one player had a complete shine.
It's just the same old story of poor performance in both boxes that dictate another loss and another nail in the coffin of our 3rd division status......we simply haven't been good enough and no complaints with where we are.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Mar 24, 2021 9:56:51 GMT
I agree 02. After reflecting on the dross served up last night, I fully accept now that all hope is gone.
For things to change you need something different to happen. The initial new manager kick soon dissipated, without Nicholson and Rodman we have no one who can score. I think Ayunga really tries and has potential but has a long way to go. Hanlan falls over more than stands his ground and his touch is dreadful. I play against lads who have a better first touch and control than Hanlan and most of them are mid 50s. I truly feel sorry for the lad with the weight on his shoulders but sadly he won't save us at this level.
We can't keep saying that luck is against us. I was always told you make your own luck and the team are carrying a lot of passengers. They are so lucky not to play in front of a crowd as I am sure they would get told what Gasheads think! Or maybe a crowd would lift them, we'll never know.
I think Barton should blood some of the better kids in preparation for next season. But then of course we don't even know if he'll be here.
It's a real ****show!
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 24, 2021 10:52:04 GMT
I agree 02. After reflecting on the dross served up last night, I fully accept now that all hope is gone. For things to change you need something different to happen. The initial new manager kick soon dissipated, without Nicholson and Rodman we have no one who can score. I think Ayunga really tries and has potential but has a long way to go. Hanlan falls over more than stands his ground and his touch is dreadful. I play against lads who have a better first touch and control than Hanlan and most of them are mid 50s. I truly feel sorry for the lad with the weight on his shoulders but sadly he won't save us at this level. We can't keep saying that luck is against us. I was always told you make your own luck and the team are carrying a lot of passengers. They are so lucky not to play in front of a crowd as I am sure they would get told what Gasheads think! Or maybe a crowd would lift them, we'll never know. I think Barton should blood some of the better kids in preparation for next season. But then of course we don't even know if he'll be here. It's a real ****show! Winners make things happen, losers let things happen. You make your own luck. A better team scores straight after the disallowed goal, the Charlton defeat has killed this team. JB needs a break without a game in the week. |
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Post by knowall on Mar 24, 2021 16:27:49 GMT
Well I doubt the money has just gone away. Eg, the club debt should have stood at 0 the minute Wael wrote it off, right? So the value of the club (as it’s clearly a loss making enterprise) is roughly the net value of all its assets (pretty much the stadium) so if you offered Wael 15 million for the club to cover the cost of the stadium he’d take it right?......right? Or do you think he would want his money back for the debt he had previously paid off + the 15 million for the stadium? Wael might claim to be a Gashead but I’ll bet one thing he’s not is a charity. For someone buying Rovers as a football club I would put the asset value of the Mem at 2.75 million. But I doubt anyone would offer any money for a relegation threatened League 1 club losing about 80 000 a week and heavily in debt. They would wait until a formal restructuring had to take place which, in normal circumstances, could be a smooth process leading to a clean slate and fresh start. But with our owner holding a 10 million charge over the Mem, and likely to be reluctant to let go, our very existence could be threatened.We have been here before, but never as certain as now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 16:41:45 GMT
For someone buying Rovers as a football club I would put the asset value of the Mem at 2.75 million. But I doubt anyone would offer any money for a relegation threatened League 1 club losing about 80 000 a week and heavily in debt. They would wait until a formal restructuring had to take place which, in normal circumstances, could be a smooth process leading to a clean slate and fresh start. But with our owner holding a 10 million charge over the Mem, and likely to be reluctant to let go, our very existence could be threatened.We have been here before, but never as certain as now. Still no substance. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 24, 2021 18:09:03 GMT
Leahy and McCormick both good value can be proud of their contribution this season few others can.
Joey has a dilemma stuck in the youngsters to see if they have the bottle to grind out a result or two before the season ends to check their suitability for next season.
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Post by The Concept on Mar 24, 2021 20:08:56 GMT
I'm not saying this had a direct outcome on the result, but I found the body language of the respective managers interesting ahead of the game...
On the BBC Breakfast half-hourly local news slot, yesterday morning, they had a short preview of the Rovers v Town game.
This featured a quick section of an interview with each manager, and I was initially struck with how JB came across, and then equally so by the contrast with which JS came across.
JB seemed jumpy and agitated, saying we had to win and if we don't win now when will we win.
JS came across very calm and saying he didn't want the players under too much pressure.
Just before kick-off a Swindon supporting friend text me "Barton will have your boys fired up. Sheridan is more measured and old school."
So yes, Barton may have tried firing them up, but did that end up putting too much pressure on the team.
All tied up with the title of this thread - "must win / pressure / last chance".
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 25, 2021 9:18:26 GMT
the loanees we might just be covering part or none of it? quite a lot of high earners nowhere near first team at moment rings true (many pre date Ben!) Nicholson under paid in comparison (agent please note lol) kinda sensed the five man board actually think agents are here to help them succeed, so VFM has gone out the window. flat rate is but tip of iceberg, win, cleanie and goal bonuses as well as appearance fee is on top of that. Not that they are keeping clean sheets, winning games or scoring goals 😃. Wasn’t there the time Francis left and the new manager inherited a dressing room at war because the wags had spilled the bonus beans on a night out, there was such disparity the manager went down a flight of stairs in the argy. Luke Leahy less than Tutona and Ali? Look at some other clubs! Byron Moore £3,500 per week. JCH £6,100 Lee Brown £3,000 Ellis Harrison £4,300 Westbrooke our highest at £3,000. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 9:47:45 GMT
I'm not saying this had a direct outcome on the result, but I found the body language of the respective managers interesting ahead of the game... On the BBC Breakfast half-hourly local news slot, yesterday morning, they had a short preview of the Rovers v Town game. This featured a quick section of an interview with each manager, and I was initially struck with how JB came across, and then equally so by the contrast with which JS came across. JB seemed jumpy and agitated, saying we had to win and if we don't win now when will we win. JS came across very calm and saying he didn't want the players under too much pressure. Just before kick-off a Swindon supporting friend text me "Barton will have your boys fired up. Sheridan is more measured and old school." So yes, Barton may have tried firing them up, but did that end up putting too much pressure on the team. All tied up with the title of this thread - "must win / pressure / last chance". It’s becoming increasingly obvious that whilst Barton might know what to do with expensive proven players that he’s signed he doesn’t have a clue what to do with players that are not the finished article and are in the midst of a relegation battle. He’s clearly now in the midst of engineering an exit strategy that preserves his reputation by using every media call to tell the chairmen monitoring his progress that he is a man with a vision and the reason he is failing is because of every single factor imaginable that is outside of his control. He would have you believe that Rovers were already relegated when he got here. If it wasn’t for the number of followers he’s got on Twitter the fans of this club would be hounding him out of town right now instead of building statues to him and believing that this is the man to build the entire club around. They’ve been totally taken in and I can’t wait for the day when the spell breaks and they realise what those of us of a more objective bent have seen from quite early on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 9:57:54 GMT
I'm not saying this had a direct outcome on the result, but I found the body language of the respective managers interesting ahead of the game... On the BBC Breakfast half-hourly local news slot, yesterday morning, they had a short preview of the Rovers v Town game. This featured a quick section of an interview with each manager, and I was initially struck with how JB came across, and then equally so by the contrast with which JS came across. JB seemed jumpy and agitated, saying we had to win and if we don't win now when will we win. JS came across very calm and saying he didn't want the players under too much pressure. Just before kick-off a Swindon supporting friend text me "Barton will have your boys fired up. Sheridan is more measured and old school." So yes, Barton may have tried firing them up, but did that end up putting too much pressure on the team. All tied up with the title of this thread - "must win / pressure / last chance". It’s becoming increasingly obvious that whilst Barton might know what to do with expensive proven players that he’s signed he doesn’t have a clue what to do with players that are not the finished article and are in the midst of a relegation battle. He’s clearly now in the midst of engineering an exit strategy that preserves his reputation by using every media call to tell the chairmen monitoring his progress that he is a man with a vision and the reason he is failing is because of every single factor imaginable that is outside of his control. He would have you believe that Rovers were already relegated when he got here. If it wasn’t for the number of followers he’s got on Twitter the fans of this club would be hounding him out of town right now instead of building statues to him and believing that this is the man to build the entire club around. They’ve been totally taken in and I can’t wait for the day when the spell breaks and they realise what those of us of a more objective bent have seen from quite early on. It’s a bit strange that he’s spent his whole career publicly speaking his mind, whoever it may offend, right up to his rant about our captain last week which should have remained behind closed doors. But when talking about how he’s going to sort this mess out, it’s to remain behind closed doors. A bit like our stadium plans for the last 5 years. I guess he’s slowly buying into our culture after all |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 10:10:15 GMT
It’s becoming increasingly obvious that whilst Barton might know what to do with expensive proven players that he’s signed he doesn’t have a clue what to do with players that are not the finished article and are in the midst of a relegation battle. He’s clearly now in the midst of engineering an exit strategy that preserves his reputation by using every media call to tell the chairmen monitoring his progress that he is a man with a vision and the reason he is failing is because of every single factor imaginable that is outside of his control. He would have you believe that Rovers were already relegated when he got here. If it wasn’t for the number of followers he’s got on Twitter the fans of this club would be hounding him out of town right now instead of building statues to him and believing that this is the man to build the entire club around. They’ve been totally taken in and I can’t wait for the day when the spell breaks and they realise what those of us of a more objective bent have seen from quite early on. It’s a bit strange that he’s spent his whole career publicly speaking his mind, whoever it may offend, right up to his rant about our captain last week which should have remained behind closed doors. But when talking about how he’s going to sort this mess out, it’s to remain behind closed doors. A bit like our stadium plans for the last 5 years. I guess he’s slowly buying into our culture after all Yeah I hate all this “I know something you don’t know” crap, especially from a grown man. It looks to me like Barton is just filling column inches to buy him some time. His plan is to GTFO in a way that makes it look like his job was made untenable by the conditions and players at the club. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 25, 2021 14:15:35 GMT
I'm not saying this had a direct outcome on the result, but I found the body language of the respective managers interesting ahead of the game... On the BBC Breakfast half-hourly local news slot, yesterday morning, they had a short preview of the Rovers v Town game. This featured a quick section of an interview with each manager, and I was initially struck with how JB came across, and then equally so by the contrast with which JS came across. JB seemed jumpy and agitated, saying we had to win and if we don't win now when will we win. JS came across very calm and saying he didn't want the players under too much pressure. Just before kick-off a Swindon supporting friend text me "Barton will have your boys fired up. Sheridan is more measured and old school." So yes, Barton may have tried firing them up, but did that end up putting too much pressure on the team. All tied up with the title of this thread - "must win / pressure / last chance". It’s becoming increasingly obvious that whilst Barton might know what to do with expensive proven players that he’s signed he doesn’t have a clue what to do with players that are not the finished article and are in the midst of a relegation battle. He’s clearly now in the midst of engineering an exit strategy that preserves his reputation by using every media call to tell the chairmen monitoring his progress that he is a man with a vision and the reason he is failing is because of every single factor imaginable that is outside of his control. He would have you believe that Rovers were already relegated when he got here. If it wasn’t for the number of followers he’s got on Twitter the fans of this club would be hounding him out of town right now instead of building statues to him and believing that this is the man to build the entire club around. They’ve been totally taken in and I can’t wait for the day when the spell breaks and they realise what those of us of a more objective bent have seen from quite early on. I find it very telling that he has already given up. We have 9 games to go. If he had any type of tie to the club, he’d remember a certain bloke who saved us, big bloke Joe, maybe do some reading. How we need an Andy Rammell now. It’s not over but it is, for him. Reset my ar5e |
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 25, 2021 14:25:20 GMT
Luke Leahy less than Tutona and Ali? Look at some other clubs! Byron Moore £3,500 per week. JCH £6,100 Lee Brown £3,000 Ellis Harrison £4,300 Westbrooke our highest at £3,000. Bennett £4k |
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 25, 2021 15:38:32 GMT
England are playing San Marino later at 7.45pm, could we play San Marino while they are over here, would we win ?
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Post by rowdenhill on Mar 25, 2021 16:22:50 GMT
No.
Possibly v Vatican City though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 16:28:12 GMT
England are playing San Marino later at 7.45pm, could we play San Marino while they are over here, would we win ? Whether we would win would depend on the referee I guess |
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