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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:31:30 GMT
Trying my best to dredge something positive, as is my way. We only have to finish 20th and I am sure there will be many twists and turns yet to this season. That's the faint hope that I am clinging to right now... I said the same before the game regarding many twists and turns but I expected us to win tonight before having to face the negative turns.
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Post by phil74 on Mar 23, 2021 21:35:21 GMT
Ben Garner got more performance and results out of this side than Barton has. He was an abject failure. Widdrington and Garner started all this s***. I also think that the year with GC in charge papered over the fundamental cracks in recruitment. JCH was good business, but we haven't replaced him. I still maintain our problems really began when Matty Taylor left and intensified three years ago when Bodin went. Darrell kept moaning at the time that we were "selling the goals out of the team". When both of those played together, we had a fluid side that scored goals and pulled defences apart. We haven't scored goals for the last three years. GC papered over the cracks because of the great improvements in defence.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 21:36:24 GMT
Do you know for a fact that Garner wanted Coppell and the Board turned down this request? First I have heard of it but interested in the facts. he helped in an unofficial capacity that never became official. So no tbh I don’t know exactly if request was turned down. I do know shortly afterwards they sacked Garner saying his game management wasn’t good enough. It was a darn sight better than Tis and Barton’s! But novice troll had his Lenny, why not give Ben a Lenny? Hm? Give that a few months to get us mid table with a youngish, inexperienced thrown together side and points in bag or then sack him if it’s not working out. that’s not where it all went wrong, in hindsight the squad was never good enough, JCH not replaced despite getting the money, and even when JCH was here we are saying it needs more forwards! But at that particular point, `Garner sacking, performance and results, table, not as grim as now plus we had a window to come.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 21:38:39 GMT
Ben Garner got more performance and results out of this side than Barton has. He was an abject failure. Widdrington and Garner started all this s***. Bad yes. The managers that followed him worse with this squad. you know to what extent Ben had say over buys and lack of strikers coming in to pin all the blame on him?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:40:32 GMT
I blame Mark McGhee for all this. Adam Virgo up front for Gods sake
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Post by basel on Mar 23, 2021 21:41:49 GMT
He was an abject failure. Widdrington and Garner started all this s***. I also think that the year with GC in charge papered over the fundamental cracks in recruitment. JCH was good business, but we haven't replaced him. I still maintain our problems really began when Matty Taylor left and intensified three years ago when Bodin went. Darrell kept moaning at the time that we were "selling the goals out of the team". When both of those played together, we had a fluid side that scored goals and pulled defences apart. We haven't scored goals for the last three years. GC papered over the cracks because of the great improvements in defence. It's a fact GC had us challenging near the top. From that to where we are now. The recruitment for the Ben Garner/WAQ revolution failed.
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Post by basel on Mar 23, 2021 21:43:38 GMT
I blame Mark McGhee for all this. Adam Virgo up front for Gods sake He was crap at CH an all! Apparently he looked quite the hero in the physios treatment room.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:44:23 GMT
You gotta score to win games and we just don't look like scoring. The failure to bring a striker in will cost Rovers dearly. Will Widdrington pay? Not a chance..... If Barton goes down we are going to be an absolute laughing stock, well even more than now. League 2, no manager, no bottle, will we still have a team? We’re a laughing stock right now. Sold our souls by hiring Barton and for what? 7 poxy points and he can’t even scrape a win against the dregs of the division. We’re getting exactly what we’ve deserved from the moment we appointed Garner. An absolute dog’s dinner of an operation from top to bottom. Only Gorringe escapes with any credit, for me and even then I’d be very interested to know, as head of the commercial side, whether he backed signing Barton. You have a short memory. This is the chump who brought us a sponsorship deal with Mintbet which was in breach of the terms of a contract that we were already committed to. Now he's on the BoD. This club is a complete farce.
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Post by basel on Mar 23, 2021 21:44:53 GMT
He was an abject failure. Widdrington and Garner started all this s***. Bad yes. The managers that followed him worse with this squad. you know to what extent Ben had say over buys and lack of strikers coming in to pin all the blame on him? I'm not interested.He flopped.Badly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:45:31 GMT
We’re a laughing stock right now. Sold our souls by hiring Barton and for what? 7 poxy points and he can’t even scrape a win against the dregs of the division. We’re getting exactly what we’ve deserved from the moment we appointed Garner. An absolute dog’s dinner of an operation from top to bottom. Only Gorringe escapes with any credit, for me and even then I’d be very interested to know, as head of the commercial side, whether he backed signing Barton. You have a short memory. This is the chump who brought us a sponsorship deal with Mintbet which was in breach of the terms of a contract that we were already committed to. Now he's on the BoD. This club is a complete farce. Football Index turned out ok?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 21:45:56 GMT
He was an abject failure. Widdrington and Garner started all this s***. I also think that the year with GC in charge papered over the fundamental cracks in recruitment. JCH was good business, but we haven't replaced him. I still maintain our problems really began when Matty Taylor left and intensified three years ago when Bodin went. Darrell kept moaning at the time that we were "selling the goals out of the team". When both of those played together, we had a fluid side that scored goals and pulled defences apart. We haven't scored goals for the last three years. GC papered over the cracks because of the great improvements in defence. sometimes it’s hard to replace goals when they leave the team, like it’s hard recruiting the right manager. what done for Trollope was thinking of going up changing the type of team, more first touch tiki taka than actually effective l1 pro, and the same thing seemed to happen to Clarke? what was different in 1990, we kept the team together continued how we played and finished in championship top ten? its also worth noting Snake was here more than a year before they started hissing in, same with Bodin. Someone looking on periphery today, one of Garners flops, might be 20 goal hero next season.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 21:49:15 GMT
Bad yes. The managers that followed him worse with this squad. you know to what extent Ben had say over buys and lack of strikers coming in to pin all the blame on him? I'm not interested.He flopped.Badly. we will compare how the managers done with this squad end of season. We will wave it in front of you, because it’s obvious who is going to win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:49:56 GMT
Ben Garner got more performance and results out of this side than Barton has. He was an abject failure. Widdrington and Garner started all this s***. Not so. I think that DC had probably 'done his time' here and it was time to move on, the problems started with failure from the top to ensure that Coughlan was happy, getting the support he wanted and needed and was certain that his employer valued him. There's been a stupid turnover of staff here in 5 years, park Gorringe on one side, he doesn't know what day of the week it is, everything points back to Wael.
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Post by basel on Mar 23, 2021 21:51:07 GMT
I also think that the year with GC in charge papered over the fundamental cracks in recruitment. JCH was good business, but we haven't replaced him. I still maintain our problems really began when Matty Taylor left and intensified three years ago when Bodin went. Darrell kept moaning at the time that we were "selling the goals out of the team". When both of those played together, we had a fluid side that scored goals and pulled defences apart. We haven't scored goals for the last three years. GC papered over the cracks because of the great improvements in defence. sometimes it’s hard to replace goals when they leave the team, like it’s hard recruiting the right manager. what done for Trollope was thinking of going up changing the type of team, more first touch tiki taka than actually effective l1 pro, and the same thing seemed to happen to Clarke? what was different in 1990, we kept the team together continued how we played and finished in championship top ten? its also worth noting Snake was here more than a year before they started hissing in, same with Bodin. Someone looking on periphery today, one of Garners flops, might be 20 goal hero next season. I think what did for Paul Trollope was firstly he could'nt sign anything like his first choices,eg he tried to sign whatshisname,Pitman,played for Swindon tonight,except he could run in those days.Then secondly Higgys genius idea to get rid of Lennie,to see if PT could do it on his own.Hahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:51:20 GMT
You have a short memory. This is the chump who brought us a sponsorship deal with Mintbet which was in breach of the terms of a contract that we were already committed to. Now he's on the BoD. This club is a complete farce. Football Index turned out ok? If by 'Turned out OK' you mean 'Ceased trading costing customers their money they had in accounts', then yes, it's all going very well.
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 23, 2021 21:51:57 GMT
We are effectively bottom of this division as Wimbledon have 2 games in hand, Rochdale & Wigan have 1, with only a point or two behind.
We are also likely to pick up points v Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster as those no hope games will have the pressure off.
As Jimmy Greaves used to say "football is a funny old game", or "funny things happen at sea".
Live in hope, that's all that's left of this god awful season, miracles do happen.
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Post by basel on Mar 23, 2021 21:54:14 GMT
He was an abject failure. Widdrington and Garner started all this s***. Not so. I think that DC had probably 'done his time' here and it was time to move on, the problems started with failure from the top to ensure that Coughlan wasn't happy, getting the support he wanted and needed and wasn't certain that his employer valued him. There's been a stupid turnover of staff here in 5 years, park Gorringe on one side, he doesn't know what day of the week it is, everything points back to Wael. So it did come from WAQ getting rid of GC? The trippy tappy,youngsters,sell them etc came from the owner I think. I've always suspected WAQ could of done alot more to keep GC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 21:55:11 GMT
Football Index turned out ok? If by 'Turned out OK' you mean 'Ceased trading costing customers their money they had in accounts', then yes, it's all going very well. Ah yes, that’s the one. We signed a sponsorship deal with a Ponzi scheme and plugged them everywhere
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Post by basel on Mar 23, 2021 21:55:51 GMT
I'm not interested.He flopped.Badly. we will compare how the managers done with this squad end of season. We will wave it in front of you, because it’s obvious who is going to win. Haha!Wave what you f**king want. He was still an absolute abject failure.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 23, 2021 21:56:00 GMT
sometimes it’s hard to replace goals when they leave the team, like it’s hard recruiting the right manager. what done for Trollope was thinking of going up changing the type of team, more first touch tiki taka than actually effective l1 pro, and the same thing seemed to happen to Clarke? what was different in 1990, we kept the team together continued how we played and finished in championship top ten? its also worth noting Snake was here more than a year before they started hissing in, same with Bodin. Someone looking on periphery today, one of Garners flops, might be 20 goal hero next season. I think what did for Paul Trollope was firstly he could'nt sign anything like his first choices,eg he tried to sign whatshisname,Pitman,played for Swindon tonight,except he could run in those days.Then secondly Higgys genius idea to get rid of Lennie,to see if PT could do it on his own.Hahahaha! yes we agree on this. It was a painful search for a striker. Didn’t Lenny opt to move to spend more time with his girlfriends? history sort of repeated going well in L one with exciting young manager, it falls apart as they try to build to advance?
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