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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 19, 2021 20:18:40 GMT
Easy tiger! It's gonna be fraught Bollocks 3-2
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basel
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Post by basel on Jan 19, 2021 20:18:58 GMT
Poor defending.Again.
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TaiwanGas
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jan 19, 2021 20:19:03 GMT
End product has arrived!...a beauty from McCormick......omg 3-2 now!...
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 19, 2021 20:26:07 GMT
Commentator said we're the 2nd lowest scoring side in league 1
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jan 19, 2021 20:51:13 GMT
Hanlan limps off.What a shame we don't have scoring forwards to assist the cause.
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basel
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Post by basel on Jan 19, 2021 20:52:17 GMT
Come on Rovers,let's have a couple more chances!
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 19, 2021 20:55:45 GMT
Commentator said we're the 2nd lowest scoring side in league 1 he is right..... even before tonight Rovers were on 20 league goals and Northampton 19
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 19, 2021 21:06:09 GMT
We were probably the better side second half. Again not quite falling for us in the box. On balance, probably not worthy of a point overall tonight though. Missing a supporting player for Hanlan. He was well marshalled by Beccles all game. Both our goals from set pieces. We'll look better with Oztumer Daly and Nicholson back. But they need to come back soon. We're back in the brown stuff.
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basel
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Post by basel on Jan 19, 2021 21:07:58 GMT
19th place,1 point off relegation place.
1 or 2 games in hand,but it seems we need players back from injury and if possible a striker signed.
A Grecians fan told me today,he reckons Stockley is on £7000 a week.
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Post by toteend3 on Jan 19, 2021 23:12:33 GMT
Really good open game which could have gone either way. Going forth. I have three wishes 1) A Finn Goalkeeper 2) Play it again Sam 3) A Little fool in the arm!
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basel
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Post by basel on Jan 20, 2021 6:39:54 GMT
I listened to the radio commentary and i've only just seen the highlights.
PT II post game, spoke about the imperative nature of the game in both boxes.Games are won and lost in these goal scoring areas ,of course.
We apparently matched Alex in the possession department,50 50.This seems good.
The home side looked cleverer than us for each of their goals,certainly the first two.
Our first goal ,the corner goal, was the same style as one we scored the other week.A nicely placed 'general near post area' corner,a flicked on header to the 'general area' of the back post,either to go directly in or sniffed out by one of ours, ready to pounce.A very effective commonsense dead ball move.Excellent.
Reminds me of the 70s long throw into big Stuart Taylor, his back header to be met and put into the net by eg Paul Randall. The same strategy.
Great free kick for our 2nd.
I don't know how many tackles we managed in the midfield.Closing down and pressing is great,but 'letting them know you're about' reminds them they hav'nt got all day on the ball.I suspect we did'nt challenge enough and only pressed when a tackle could of been made.Please tell.
I mean Alex looked abit too comfortable on the ball in the highlights.
Could a few more hard tackles of blunted Alex' creative side?
I'm just trying to 'get it' from only listening to the radio and seeing the highlights.
I think PT II knows how to go about improving our position and see us remain 3rd tier.Fingers crossed we'll be ready to challenge next season and we'll be at the Mem cheering them on.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 20, 2021 8:10:08 GMT
I listened to the radio commentary and i've only just seen the highlights. PT II post game, spoke about the imperative nature of the game in both boxes.Games are won and lost in these goal scoring areas ,of course. We apparently matched Alex in the possession department,50 50.This seems good. The home side looked cleverer than us for each of their goals,certainly the first two. Our first goal ,the corner goal, was the same style as one we scored the other week.A nicely placed 'general near post area' corner,a flicked on header to the 'general area' of the back post,either to go directly in or sniffed out by one of ours, ready to pounce.A very effective commonsense dead ball move.Excellent. Reminds me of the 70s long throw into big Stuart Taylor, his back header to be met and put into the net by eg Paul Randall. The same strategy. Great free kick for our 2nd. I don't know how many tackles we managed in the midfield.Closing down and pressing is great,but 'letting them know you're about' reminds them they hav'nt got all day on the ball.I suspect we did'nt challenge enough and only pressed when a tackle could of been made.Please tell. I mean Alex looked abit too comfortable on the ball in the highlights. Could a few more hard tackles of blunted Alex' creative side? I'm just trying to 'get it' from only listening to the radio and seeing the highlights. I think PT II knows how to go about improving our position and see us remain 3rd tier.Fingers crossed we'll be ready to challenge next season and we'll be at the Mem cheering them on. They only had a few chances and seemed to cut through us too easily. We didn't close down in front of our box and the 2nd goal was poor, too many players happy for them to have it 10 yards out. To concede the free kick which led to their 3rd was stupid, and to not do their job from a set piece terrible. I still had confidence we would score 2 more. I was angry and frustrated last night but now a little more accepting that we missed 3 forward players who would have started last night, Crewe are unbeaten in 9 for a reason. The IFollow commentators were horrific. One calling them Bristol all the time and the other did no homework on how to pronounce simple names like Leahy and Ehmer. We had Tidsdale, Kil-gower, Hamer, Lee-high, Brendon Hanlan, McCormack, Ko-i-ky, they made some inappropriate joke about the keepers surname and didn't try to pronounce it. You're being paid to do a job, the wrong job by the sound of it.
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Post by bloogas on Jan 20, 2021 8:11:25 GMT
Basel - depends on which radio commentary you listened to. I had the Radio Stoke commentary on iFollow and RadBris on a radio. You'd wonder if they were watching the same game. So many bits of play I saw and which Stoke commented on were missed or ignored on the RadBris one. And it wasn't a bad game - for neutrals. Unfortunately our defending leaves a bit to be desired, and the lineup we fielded wasn't to sharp in attack. The Radio Stoke commentators thought Hanlan a real handful and weren't too confident in a Crewe win until the final seconds.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 20, 2021 8:19:56 GMT
Basel - depends on which radio commentary you listened to. I had the Radio Stoke commentary on iFollow and RadBris on a radio. You'd wonder if they were watching the same game. So many bits of play I saw and which Stoke commented on were missed or ignored on the RadBris one. And it wasn't a bad game - for neutrals. Unfortunately our defending leaves a bit to be desired, and the lineup we fielded wasn't to sharp in attack. The Radio Stoke commentators thought Hanlan a real handful and weren't too confident in a Crewe win until the final seconds. Spot on
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 20, 2021 8:48:49 GMT
Basel - depends on which radio commentary you listened to. I had the Radio Stoke commentary on iFollow and RadBris on a radio. You'd wonder if they were watching the same game. So many bits of play I saw and which Stoke commented on were missed or ignored on the RadBris one. And it wasn't a bad game - for neutrals. Unfortunately our defending leaves a bit to be desired, and the lineup we fielded wasn't to sharp in attack. The Radio Stoke commentators thought Hanlan a real handful and weren't too confident in a Crewe win until the final seconds. Radio Bristol were commentating from ifollow coverage i believe. Could not been easy.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 20, 2021 10:06:26 GMT
Dear oh dear, what's happening to our defence?
In space of 18 months we look a basket case at the back....hands (keeps twice saved, only to push ball into play for opposition).....face (do these defenders defend as a unit because it looks like they don't recognise each other at times).....space (too much of it, too many times in our box)...
Jeez, there's taking government advice too literally.
Having said that, it was entertaining stuff. Many chances squandered, but the chances were mostly created on defensive mistakes.
I liked our approach play in middle third but the final ball, pass cross or shot, was severely lacking from us. Conversely, on the counter attack, Crewe looked better.
What a sweet strike from McCormick!? Aided and abetted by some wiley end of wall movement from Ehmer +1. An exquisite equaliser.
Plus.... The first goal facsimile of Sheff Utd set play.
But.....two defensive howlers gave us a mountain to climb with Hanlan lone striker Vs 2/3 defenders. I would question Ehmer/Harries marking on the 3rd too.
Such a disappointment after getting back to level terms, to then concede soon after. Back to the training ground on how to defend as in marking, block shots, stop crosses. We defend too narrow and at times, too deep.
One worry....the starting lineup. Maybe covering an injury, but 5 defenders? Then, when one found space (ehmer) in their area it fell to a central defender...? Hmmm.... only fair to question PT on that. It looked to me like we came for a draw, but after 5 mins had put all eggs in one basket finding ourselves behind.
One fun mention on a dismal night: the commentary!
Exotic pronunciation!
Hamer. Lee-hi....then, Lee-hee. Kilgower. Harriers. McCormack.
....Hilarious!
Summary. Poor performance defensively giving the team too much work to get something out of it. Hanlan, McCormick worked hard but were met with an organised response. That's it! Little organisation and leadership didn't compensate for effort and huff puff, led to an evitable defeat. We need new personnel.... quickly.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 20, 2021 10:33:09 GMT
Do the 4 injured players count as new personnel when they return? Nicholson and Daly would add guile and pace. Oztumer, though has only played well in one game, would add guile. Anssi is the best keeper.
Need extra striker, not easy to recruit. Maybe a right back, Little to go out? Maybe a midfielder who can run with the ball and break lines?
Not sure we wil, get all three.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Jan 20, 2021 10:36:46 GMT
Our first goal ,the corner goal...Reminds me of the 70s long throw into big Stuart Taylor, his back header to be met and put into the net by eg Paul Randall. I thought the same! I'm surprised nobody has questioned whether Crewe's first goal (so admired by PT in his after-match interview) was offside. We'll never know (unless a view from a different camera emerges) because the iFollow angle didn't take in the full picture across the pitch when the ball was played in. However, as the ball went into the net, the Rovers back-line looked nice and straight, and all running back to goal. That suggests their starting positions (a second earlier when the ball was played) was upfield of the goal-scorer. Three defenders appealed for offside, but that doesn't prove anything, as all defenders always appeal for offside. Seconds after the restart following that early goal, Beccles pulled back on Hanlon's arm 25 yards out from goal. The officials missed it. It set the pattern. Crewe had the dark arts off to a "T". Nobody can convince me that so many players needed so much treatment for so long. In the second half alone, more than 6 minutes elapsed whilst the Crewe physio attended to 5 different players at different stages. Add to that the stoppage time for 3 goals and several substitutions and you end up with needing to add on 10 minutes. I remember games where the ref has added on lengthy times like that - why not yesterday? When a Crewe player kicked the ball away, having conceded a free-kick, it took Ed Upson to complain to the ref about time-wasting before he even considered taking the Crewe player to task for it. Refereeing shortcomings aside, I winced at: Rovers only sending one defender across to stand 10 yards from a corner being taken with two attackers over the ball. For decades, the accepted practice was that you needed two defenders out there, otherwise the two competent attackers would pass the ball around you, in effect creating a "hockey short-corner" crossing opportunity. I first noticed that DC's teams didn't follow that practice- GC soon re-instated it! - but Ben Garner seemed happy for only one defender ten yards from the corner flag. (He might have instructed another to get out there quickly, if the short-corner was played). PT doesn't seem to insist on the two-defender thinking. There were enough bodies to block the shot for Crewe's second goal, but we seemed to lack the urgency to close down the shot. Prior to that, there wasn't enough done to stop the cross coming in. I noticed when we attacked, Crewe always seemed to have a midfielder backing up the full back, so we had to work particularly hard to get any kind of cross in. Not for the first time (cf Wimbledon's second goal at their place) our defending from a deep free-kick was woeful. The eventual scorer of Crewe's third goal was marked - though not tightly - as the free kick was about to be taken, but had no trouble getting goal-side of his marker to meet the ball unopposed. I contrast our defending there with that displayed by, say, Coventry away last season, where their defenders wrestled our players in an effort to stop a threat from a set-piece. (Remember that? As it happened, we still managed to get the ball in the net, but the referee disallowed the goal, imagining the contact he saw being a foul BY the Rovers man - having seen the video replay the next day, he subsequently contacted Graham Coughlan to apologise, I understand). So the point is, why don't we rough the opponents up in an effort to stop the threat? The referees give random decisions anyway. Sadly, whilst the above examples focused on Crewe's goals, there were many other preventable Crewe attacks where only last-ditch defending or errant Crewe finishing put off further misery. There were many pleasing moves by Rovers - another day some of the last-ditch Crewe blocks in their own penalty area might have gone in, but we need to improve all aspects of the game - including the dark arts - if we are going to get out of the League One worry-zone.
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Post by outwoodgas on Jan 20, 2021 11:30:20 GMT
The results aside, I've got to say that whilst watching Rovers at the moment can be exasperating its also really entertaining. Full credit to Tisdale for that, as under Garner it was generally tedious. After the game was over I watched the Leicester-Chelsea game, and whereas the technical ability was without doubt on a higher plain than ours it was excruciatingly boring - not helped by that great boor of a commentator Martin Tyler of course (why does he get all the big games?). The more I watch of Rovers at the moment the less I want to watch the Premier League monotony.
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Post by bloogas on Jan 20, 2021 15:05:19 GMT
Basel - depends on which radio commentary you listened to. I had the Radio Stoke commentary on iFollow and RadBris on a radio. You'd wonder if they were watching the same game. So many bits of play I saw and which Stoke commented on were missed or ignored on the RadBris one. And it wasn't a bad game - for neutrals. Unfortunately our defending leaves a bit to be desired, and the lineup we fielded wasn't to sharp in attack. The Radio Stoke commentators thought Hanlan a real handful and weren't too confident in a Crewe win until the final seconds. Radio Bristol were commentating from ifollow coverage i believe. Could not been easy. If that's the case, my apologies to them. It would certainly explain it.
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