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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 13, 2020 11:30:00 GMT
Blimey! You'll be realising that you can read the Grauniad for free next.. Says the man who had to get his kids to set up his HDMI TV stick  did the same last night. Now 7 episodes into 2007's The Killing. It's just the right time of year to be watching it. It does mean I'll probably be wearing a Scandi jumper next time we're allowed to go to a match though |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 13, 2020 12:26:36 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. You are basing performance on results again. That wasn’t a convincing performance. We handed Muff at least two certain goals, it was criminal finishing at this level they didn’t take them. I would like to criticise the lack of possession, and territory, but to be fair I haven’t a clue what the strategy and tactics were meant to be, but I rather suspect we were actually told to play counter attack and hit long balls. The press was so so at times. What was better was pass and move zippier than under Tiz so far, and plenty of resilience to block and close down in defensive shape. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. To go back to what was the tactic, there’s not just one way to try and win a football match, take the difference between pep and mour for example. I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. Sure, there's plenty to work on and improve. But when Tisdale talked about restricting his input to "setting the tone", I think he's empowered the players to make their own decisions and be creative, rather than worrying about what they should not do. I don't know how far something that simple can take us, but if you compare the fluency and confidence of the players in the match against Plymouth and Wimbledon, with that against Swindon and Gillingham, then that is a positive improvement in my eyes. Ben Garner was keen to play out matches by slowing down the tempo (messing about, wasting time). A lot of opponents have done this and it's worked against us. But Paul Tisdale wants us to be positive. I've always thought that slowing the tempo - unless doing so with a certain level of aggression and intensity - tends to make you more passive, which psychologically makes a team vulnerable. Even so, I was shouting at Luke Leahy on the TV after 85 minutes that he was being naive in taking that free-kick quickly when we were 2-0 up. Ten seconds later, we were 3-0 up. |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 13, 2020 12:35:23 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. You are basing performance on results again. That wasn’t a convincing performance. We handed Muff at least two certain goals, it was criminal finishing at this level they didn’t take them. I would like to criticise the lack of possession, and territory, but to be fair I haven’t a clue what the strategy and tactics were meant to be, but I rather suspect we were actually told to play counter attack and hit long balls. The press was so so at times. What was better was pass and move zippier than under Tiz so far, and plenty of resilience to block and close down in defensive shape. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. To go back to what was the tactic, there’s not just one way to try and win a football match, take the difference between pep and mour for example. I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. Sure, there's plenty to work on and improve. But when Tisdale talked about restricting his input to "setting the tone", I think he's empowered the players to make their own decisions and be creative, rather than worrying about what they should not do. I don't know how far something that simple can take us, but if you compare the fluency and confidence of the players in the match against Plymouth and Wimbledon, with that against Swindon and Gillingham, then that is a positive improvement in my eyes. Ben Garner was keen to play out matches by slowing down the tempo (messing about, wasting time). A lot of opponents have done this and it's worked against us. But Paul Tisdale wants us to be positive. I've always thought that slowing the tempo - unless doing so with a certain level of aggression and intensity - tends to make you more passive, which psychologically makes a team vulnerable. Even so, I was shouting at Luke Leahy on the TV after 85 minutes that he was being naive in taking that free-kick quickly when we were 2-0 up. Ten seconds later, we were 3-0 up. Oh to be a football manager/coach.......either you end up bald or in intensive care!!! |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 13, 2020 12:56:04 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. You are basing performance on results again. That wasn’t a convincing performance. We handed Muff at least two certain goals, it was criminal finishing at this level they didn’t take them. I would like to criticise the lack of possession, and territory, but to be fair I haven’t a clue what the strategy and tactics were meant to be, but I rather suspect we were actually told to play counter attack and hit long balls. The press was so so at times. What was better was pass and move zippier than under Tiz so far, and plenty of resilience to block and close down in defensive shape. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. To go back to what was the tactic, there’s not just one way to try and win a football match, take the difference between pep and mour for example. I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. Sure, there's plenty to work on and improve. But when Tisdale talked about restricting his input to "setting the tone", I think he's empowered the players to make their own decisions and be creative, rather than worrying about what they should not do. I don't know how far something that simple can take us, but if you compare the fluency and confidence of the players in the match against Plymouth and Wimbledon, with that against Swindon and Gillingham, then that is a positive improvement in my eyes. Ben Garner was keen to play out matches by slowing down the tempo (messing about, wasting time). A lot of opponents have done this and it's worked against us. But Paul Tisdale wants us to be positive. I've always thought that slowing the tempo - unless doing so with a certain level of aggression and intensity - tends to make you more passive, which psychologically makes a team vulnerable. Even so, I was shouting at Luke Leahy on the TV after 85 minutes that he was being naive in taking that free-kick quickly when we were 2-0 up. Ten seconds later, we were 3-0 up.Snap! Me and Eppinggas junior were exactly the same. "Great, a free-kick. Kill some time. FFS, slow it down, what's the rush, Leahy you idiot, great move GOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL" |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 13, 2020 14:42:45 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. You are basing performance on results again. That wasn’t a convincing performance. We handed Muff at least two certain goals, it was criminal finishing at this level they didn’t take them. I would like to criticise the lack of possession, and territory, but to be fair I haven’t a clue what the strategy and tactics were meant to be, but I rather suspect we were actually told to play counter attack and hit long balls. The press was so so at times. What was better was pass and move zippier than under Tiz so far, and plenty of resilience to block and close down in defensive shape. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. To go back to what was the tactic, there’s not just one way to try and win a football match, take the difference between pep and mour for example. I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. Ok, I’ll bite. I could go along with what you said and not wildly disagree until I got to your last sentence. That made me chuckle. Tis is too respectful to be Jose and as for BG being Pep.....in his dreams!😉 UTG! |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 14, 2020 0:18:27 GMT
I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. Benny = Pep?  giphy |
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Post by mangogas15 on Dec 14, 2020 8:11:07 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. You are basing performance on results again. That wasn’t a convincing performance. We handed Muff at least two certain goals, it was criminal finishing at this level they didn’t take them. I would like to criticise the lack of possession, and territory, but to be fair I haven’t a clue what the strategy and tactics were meant to be, but I rather suspect we were actually told to play counter attack and hit long balls. The press was so so at times. What was better was pass and move zippier than under Tiz so far, and plenty of resilience to block and close down in defensive shape. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. To go back to what was the tactic, there’s not just one way to try and win a football match, take the difference between pep and mour for example. I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. Man of the Match can also be awarded due to a marked improvement as kids football will teach you. I am so chuffed for him mainly for the clean sheet. He's not done well recently and deserves credit when it is due. |
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Post by basel on Dec 14, 2020 8:21:39 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. You are basing performance on results again. That wasn’t a convincing performance. We handed Muff at least two certain goals, it was criminal finishing at this level they didn’t take them. I would like to criticise the lack of possession, and territory, but to be fair I haven’t a clue what the strategy and tactics were meant to be, but I rather suspect we were actually told to play counter attack and hit long balls. The press was so so at times. What was better was pass and move zippier than under Tiz so far, and plenty of resilience to block and close down in defensive shape. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. To go back to what was the tactic, there’s not just one way to try and win a football match, take the difference between pep and mour for example. I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. Man of the Match can also be awarded due to a marked improvement as kids football will teach you. I am so chuffed for him mainly for the clean sheet. He's not done well recently and deserves credit when it is due. I still have doubts about JVS,but it was great he had a good game.Maybe he'll become a better GK now.I hope so. I would like to know what was said and done on the training ground between his poor game and the Argyle game. Absolutely though,a good game JVS!👍 |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 14, 2020 9:09:36 GMT
Not many second goalkeepers are that good, and I put that down to bench-sitting most of the time. How are they supposed to improve if they seldom get a game?
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 14, 2020 10:10:45 GMT
Not many second goalkeepers are that good, and I put that down to bench-sitting most of the time. How are they supposed to improve if they seldom get a game? Here’s a question. Who and what season did we have our best first and second string keeper partnership? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 14, 2020 10:26:06 GMT
Not many second goalkeepers are that good, and I put that down to bench-sitting most of the time. How are they supposed to improve if they seldom get a game? Here’s a question. Who and what season did we have our best first and second string keeper partnership? 1989? Martyn/Carter? I actually preferred Timmy Carter at the time after his Ashton heroics. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 10:27:42 GMT
Not many second goalkeepers are that good, and I put that down to bench-sitting most of the time. How are they supposed to improve if they seldom get a game? Here’s a question. Who and what season did we have our best first and second string keeper partnership? Lee Jones / Andy Collett were both solid League One keepers. I actually thought Collett was better than Jones. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Dec 14, 2020 13:16:46 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. Interesting that the players also disagree with you. Apparently they all gave him a round of applause when he got into the changing rooms, and there is no indication that it was irony or sarcasm..... |
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Post by irishrover on Dec 14, 2020 15:51:46 GMT
Sorry Gasheds, but you’ve got it wrong. You are basing performance on results again. That wasn’t a convincing performance. We handed Muff at least two certain goals, it was criminal finishing at this level they didn’t take them. I would like to criticise the lack of possession, and territory, but to be fair I haven’t a clue what the strategy and tactics were meant to be, but I rather suspect we were actually told to play counter attack and hit long balls. The press was so so at times. What was better was pass and move zippier than under Tiz so far, and plenty of resilience to block and close down in defensive shape. Jordi Man of Match? LOL. All the stuff that came his way was regulation saves, it’s just that expectation is so low we applaud regulation catching and blocking now. To go back to what was the tactic, there’s not just one way to try and win a football match, take the difference between pep and mour for example. I’m suspecting we have sacked pep and hired mour. There's always a chance of that but it does seem to be based on the premise that pre-Tisdale we had clear tactics and strategy. I saw neither - I saw a man massively out of his depth incapable of adapting a vision of play that he had in his head to the players he had and the context he was working in. Garner had 10 months - he never showed any evidence that he could turn his vision into any kind of consistent reality. It's true we were good at pressing and at timing the press - that was about it. Everything else was disjointed, inonsistent, incoherent and slow.
That 'pass and move' and 'defensive shape' stuff that Tisdale has imposed is what managers are primairly supposed to do. That will do for starters as it should help us amass the points we need to move into safer territory. There is the emergence of the building blocks for an effective pattern of play which has been missing for age. No, there isn't one way to win a football match but you do need to have some evidence that the manager is capable of imposing a method for winning a football match and the previous one showed no evidence of this. I think early signs suggest we have sacked someone who wasn't really a manager and replaced them with someone who is.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 14, 2020 18:13:55 GMT
Nice post and last sentence, IR..
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