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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 17:04:06 GMT
1-1 FT Rovers probably edged it overall, but not by enough to justify a win. Two closely-matched mid-table teams, and looked like it. Neither goalie troubled much Nicholson probably the best Rovers player. Grant got yet another yellow. Leahy's introduction probably improved the side. JML didn't make a huge mark. Defence looked better 2nd half. I thought Ehmer had his 2nd good game on the bounce. Harries and Balders less so Not terrible, not great, our young 'uns have another game under their belt I do like Nicholson. |
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Post by outwoodgas on Oct 31, 2020 17:52:19 GMT
I really enjoyed the football in the second half - hopefully that is what Garnerball is all about and its getting through to the lads.
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Post by basel on Oct 31, 2020 19:01:54 GMT
A work in progress.
Sometimes individuals and their team make the necessary improvement,sometimes not.It is not the easiest thing in football to predict.I think there is a fair chance BG will see his team become challengers.
A decent enough away point today.
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 31, 2020 19:17:15 GMT
not the easiest or happiest places for BRFC to go to, but a point on the road,and there ,is meritable during this transition
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Post by syg on Oct 31, 2020 19:51:41 GMT
Just saw the goals.
Pathetic by Baldwin, moving across and missing a header from a 60 yard pass, would like to see him lose his place to kilgour.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 31, 2020 22:32:44 GMT
A work in progress. Sometimes individuals and their team make the necessary improvement,sometimes not.It is not the easiest thing in football to predict.I think there is a fair chance BG will see his team become challengers. A decent enough away point today. I think there's an interesting question there about what our expectations should be for this team. Damned if I know though. We all know what failure would look like for this team and we're not short of potential predictions of doom but what does this team have to do to be considered 'successful' in people's eyes?
I think I'd be happy with otp half or maybe even slightly lower than that but with evidence of improvement both as a team and individuals.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 1, 2020 1:28:17 GMT
I really enjoyed the football in the second half - hopefully that is what Garnerball is all about and its getting through to the lads. But is it Garnerball?, knocking it around the defence and then Harries launching it down the pitch on near every occasion smacks to me of hoofball, 8 out of 10 clogged passes are overhit, straight to oppo or go into touch. The midfield are bypassed as they can only move sideways or backwards and cannot offer service to the forwards, it's not a criticism, just an observation. |
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Post by basel on Nov 1, 2020 5:38:57 GMT
A work in progress. Sometimes individuals and their team make the necessary improvement,sometimes not.It is not the easiest thing in football to predict.I think there is a fair chance BG will see his team become challengers. A decent enough away point today. I think there's an interesting question there about what our expectations should be for this team. Damned if I know though. We all know what failure would look like for this team and we're not short of potential predictions of doom but what does this team have to do to be considered 'successful' in people's eyes?
I think I'd be happy with otp half or maybe even slightly lower than that but with evidence of improvement both as a team and individuals.
Irish,for me this season mid table is okay.BGs ideas have to become second nature,good habits made subconsciously.Eg,decision making in the final third or defenders keeping their concentration hats on.Etc.Games played and with it experience. Attractive passing football, that many have yearned for (I like GC style and passing game,for the record). I would want to see us challenging for a play off spot next time,that would be nice and hopefully near 8000 to 9000 average crowds at the Mem.A couple more of "our own" coming through to replace any we may sell,hopefully for lots of money.A healthy 'youth' recruitment scheme. Wael to get the buildings knocked up at The Quarters would offer a lift. That would count as successful for me,but to nail it,promotion,this time or at a stretch one of the three after. Edit.I don't disregard a play off challenge this time.It seems there is a big desire to listen to BG and his coaches and improve.I think/hope,once a few pennies drop and jobs are thoroughly understood,we could be right amongst the chasing pack. |
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Post by outwoodgas on Nov 1, 2020 9:18:57 GMT
I really enjoyed the football in the second half - hopefully that is what Garnerball is all about and its getting through to the lads. But is it Garnerball?, knocking it around the defence and then Harries launching it down the pitch on near every occasion smacks to me of hoofball, 8 out of 10 clogged passes are overhit, straight to oppo or go into touch. The midfield are bypassed as they can only move sideways or backwards and cannot offer service to the forwards, it's not a criticism, just an observation. I thought that in the second half we did get it down and play, and that Ehmer at least was coming forward a bit more, whereas in the first half it was the boring / tedious knock it about the centre backs before hoofing it that you describe. |
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Post by Rex on Nov 1, 2020 9:25:08 GMT
Route 1 leveller from Dale. Can't argue with the finishThe Russians tried in 1917 leading to Finnish independence. |
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Nov 1, 2020 9:47:51 GMT
An okay away point and another point closer to safety. One thing that became more obvious yesterday; Baldwin needs dropping, he's a clown of a defender.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 10:09:43 GMT
I really enjoyed the football in the second half - hopefully that is what Garnerball is all about and its getting through to the lads. But is it Garnerball?, knocking it around the defence and then Harries launching it down the pitch on near every occasion smacks to me of hoofball, 8 out of 10 clogged passes are overhit, straight to oppo or go into touch. The midfield are bypassed as they can only move sideways or backwards and cannot offer service to the forwards, it's not a criticism, just an observation. How dare you say anything negative about Garner's free flowing, attacking, easy on the eye football that has brought us 5 or 6 wins in 10 months. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 1, 2020 11:01:24 GMT
But is it Garnerball?, knocking it around the defence and then Harries launching it down the pitch on near every occasion smacks to me of hoofball, 8 out of 10 clogged passes are overhit, straight to oppo or go into touch. The midfield are bypassed as they can only move sideways or backwards and cannot offer service to the forwards, it's not a criticism, just an observation. How dare you say anything negative about Garner's free flowing, attacking, easy on the eye football that has brought us 5 or 6 wins in 10 months.  Twas tongue in cheek as you know, Garner, rightly so, is adjusting 'Garnerball' in accordance with the capabilities of L1/L2 players after the dizzy heights of the Indian Super League. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 1, 2020 11:08:54 GMT
But is it Garnerball?, knocking it around the defence and then Harries launching it down the pitch on near every occasion smacks to me of hoofball, 8 out of 10 clogged passes are overhit, straight to oppo or go into touch. The midfield are bypassed as they can only move sideways or backwards and cannot offer service to the forwards, it's not a criticism, just an observation. How dare you say anything negative about Garner's free flowing, attacking, easy on the eye football that has brought us 5 or 6 wins in 10 months. they haven’t played this much hoof ball in their better performances this season. Apologies in advance if you weren’t trying to say yesterday matches hoof ball is typical of all their play this season, groiny. You do admit though, performances and results a lot more credible this season from last? |
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Post by Rex on Nov 1, 2020 11:14:33 GMT
How dare you say anything negative about Garner's free flowing, attacking, easy on the eye football that has brought us 5 or 6 wins in 10 months. they haven’t played this much hoof ball in their better performances this season. Apologies in advance if you weren’t trying to say yesterday matches hoof ball is typical of all their play this season, groiny. You do admit though, performances and results a lot more credible this season from last? To be fair, it would have been nigh on impossible not to see an improvement given last season's results! |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 1, 2020 11:24:39 GMT
But is it Garnerball?, knocking it around the defence and then Harries launching it down the pitch on near every occasion smacks to me of hoofball, 8 out of 10 clogged passes are overhit, straight to oppo or go into touch. The midfield are bypassed as they can only move sideways or backwards and cannot offer service to the forwards, it's not a criticism, just an observation. I thought that in the second half we did get it down and play, and that Ehmer at least was coming forward a bit more, whereas in the first half it was the boring / tedious knock it about the centre backs before hoofing it that you describe. To be fair the second half was better, but not enough to change the outcome. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 1, 2020 11:26:19 GMT
I was thinking this one is hard to sum up, but then read Ben’s interview and he summed it up perfectly.
We started brightly, particularly Nicholson.
With lead we took foot off gas, stoped doing the effective things.
Awful goal to concede, shouldn’t happen.
Harsh words half time, better press, tempo and territory second half.
What I would add to that.
Our task was harder by home side treating it as away game and not coming out to play. Maybe this was reason for too much rubbish hoof ball, but too much ineffective hoof ball there was.
Our performance is chalk and cheese simply on how deep or high we can get the wingbacks up the pitch.
Nicholson’s start impressed me. What was his position and role, seemed straight swap. But I totally disagree with every gas head, reporter, headline and manager who said we scored a good goal. Nicholson attacked with pace and intent, placed well with requisite power. But it was abysmal goal from Rochdale point of view. They opened like the Red Sea. They put no pressure on him. They did their (excellent) goalie no favours at all.
One big negative becoming clearer all the time. We didn’t beat Burton, didn’t beat dale, lucky to get cleanie at shrews, but when we come up against likes of Ipswich, donny, hull and Peterborough we are too far away to take anything from them. Our lack of cutting edge to win the Burton and dale games is ominous for the months ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 11:29:27 GMT
How dare you say anything negative about Garner's free flowing, attacking, easy on the eye football that has brought us 5 or 6 wins in 10 months. they haven’t played this much hoof ball in their better performances this season. Apologies in advance if you weren’t trying to say yesterday matches hoof ball is typical of all their play this season, groiny. You do admit though, performances and results a lot more credible this season from last? As Rex points out, it would be all but impossible to field 11 professional football players and continue with the shocking, embarrassing, chaotic mess that Garner turned us into last year. Where exactly are we when we have an owner who has lost more money is about 5 years than any previous owners combined could have ever thought possible, has secured those losses against the stadium, but is being praised to the hilt and supporters seem desperate to get behind a manager who brought us relegation form and the longest length of time, ever, in our entire history without scoring a goal? Buckle got his wish didn't he. Expectations well and truly lowered. |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Nov 1, 2020 12:12:16 GMT
Our task was harder by home side treating it as away game and not coming out to play. Maybe this was reason for too much rubbish hoof ball, but too much ineffective hoof ball there was. I thought both teams tried to play in the "modern" style, which their manager summed up as: "...the balance between keeping the ball and penetrating the opposition's back line..." Unfortunately, in the 20 minutes before half time, too many of our attempts at penetration didn't succeed. Link to Dale manager Barry-Murphy's view of the game. |
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Post by rowdenhill on Nov 1, 2020 12:57:05 GMT
I was thinking this one is hard to sum up, but then read Ben’s interview and he summed it up perfectly. We started brightly, particularly Nicholson. With lead we took foot off gas, stoped doing the effective things. Awful goal to concede, shouldn’t happen. Harsh words half time, better press, tempo and territory second half. What I would add to that. Our task was harder by home side treating it as away game and not coming out to play. Maybe this was reason for too much rubbish hoof ball, but too much ineffective hoof ball there was. Our performance is chalk and cheese simply on how deep or high we can get the wingbacks up the pitch. Nicholson’s start impressed me. What was his position and role, seemed straight swap. But I totally disagree with every gas head, reporter, headline and manager who said we scored a good goal. Nicholson attacked with pace and intent, placed well with requisite power. But it was abysmal goal from Rochdale point of view. They opened like the Red Sea. They put no pressure on him. They did their (excellent) goalie no favours at all. One big negative becoming clearer all the time. We didn’t beat Burton, didn’t beat dale, lucky to get cleanie at shrews, but when we come up against likes of Ipswich, donny, hull and Peterborough we are too far away to take anything from them. Our lack of cutting edge to win the Burton and dale games is ominous for the months ahead. |
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Twas tongue in cheek as you know, Garner, rightly so, is adjusting 'Garnerball' in accordance with the capabilities of L1/L2 players after the dizzy heights of the Indian Super League.
