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Post by Cheshiregas on Feb 19, 2023 10:20:07 GMT
No one seems to have commented on the fact that the game changed following the break in play during the first half, due to a Burton player being treated overlong on the pitch for injury treatment, why this is allowed i'll never know, GET HIM OFF ! This was then followed by a spectator requiring medical attention which necessitated a further delay in the game. After this we lost our momentum and never got going again. Prior to the delay(s) we were playing some decent stuff and moving the ball forward with a degree of urgency. Pete I think we all know what some of the players are capable of, we saw that against Ipswich, apart from finishing opportunities. We could easily have won Tuesday. But blaming a delay for our failure is stretching it, that's where a manager earns his crust. The breaks have an impact on both sides surely and it's up to the manager to handle that. We don't seem to be able to handle the wiles and battering that comes playing the lower sides. Against Accrington which is one of the worst performances I have seen for a while, we were outfought, out passed [our strength!], out battled and out thought by a wily manager and his team. We need to be stronger mentally as well as physically when you are playing a team like that. We are all desperate for a win, just can't see where that is going to come from at present. Or perhaps we need 'luck and chemistry' as one former director used to say!
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 19, 2023 10:52:33 GMT
Bristol Rovers verdict: Confidence drained, quality vanishes and concerns grow for Joey Barton..
Brief respite is all Bristol Rovers' midweek stalemate with promotion-chasing Ipswich Town turned out to be as Burton Albion resumed a demoralising run for Joey Barton and his players in a 2-1 defeat at the Mem on Saturday.
Buoyed by a dogged and disciplined showing on Tuesday, it all started so well for the Gas who looked on their way back to form after a strong start punctuated by John Marquis' fine header.
But the afternoon ended in a fashion painfully familiar since the turn of the year, as a Rovers team short on confidence and ideas were left lamenting moments of poor defending and a breakdown in their build-up play.
Resilience was a bedrock that Barton built this team upon over the past 18 months, but at this moment the foundations are unsteady. The Gas have been so good in the face of adversity in recent times but they crumbled as soon as they shipped a terrible equaliser to the Brewers against the run of play.
Thankfully, Rovers have a body of good work to fall back on which means the margin to the bottom four remains at nine points with 14 games to go, but it would be daft to think that League One safety is a forgone conclusion on current form. There may not be the urgency of a chasing pack breathing down their necks at the moment, but this slide has to stop soon.
Confidence is on the floor and it has seeped into the stands For the first time in six games, the Gas scored the opening goal in the contest and it seemed like their poor form was behind them, with Burton unable to get a foothold in the game.
Marquis' ninth-minute header from Gibbons' brilliant cross from the right set a resounding tone. The Mem was up for it and Rovers were creating chances, with Aaron Collins fizzing the best just wide of the post with Craig MacGillivray a mere spectator.
A lengthy pause for a medical emergency in the West Terrace midway through the first half could have changed the flow of the contest, but Rovers remained on the front foot and Jarell Quansah sent a header from point-blank range over the bar.
It proved costly as moments later, a long punt forward was not dealt with by Quansah, Gibbons nor James Connolly and Dale Taylor had to play just a single pass to free Charlie Kirk on goal for an equaliser out of the blue.
The whole occasion changed from that moment. The vigour had been sucked out of not only the players but the stands; Gasheads were stunned after Burton had levelled from nothing against the run of play.
Naturally, the same nagging thoughts affecting those on the pitch crept onto the terraces. The bullish mood from a deserved lead and strong performance vanished, and so with it did Rovers' poise.
Suddenly, Burton had the game they wanted; a scrappy mess in tricky conditions in front of a demoralised and muted stadium.
We will get onto Rovers' play with the ball in more detail in a moment, but they went from an incisive and effective attack to aimless long-ball peddlers in an instant. Only confidence can explain the capitulation in their approach to the game, because with the winds at their backs in the second half there was no logic to getting the ball in the air, particularly against this opponent.
The second goal followed 10 minutes after the interval in dismal fashion. Several chances to clear the ball from the area were missed and despite a good save from Ellery Balcombe and a goalline block from Quansah, Burton were allowed to score far too easily as Sam Winnall bundled home amid the ugly chaos in the penalty area in front of a perplexed Thatchers Terrace.
It is easier said than done, particularly from the relative comfort of the press bench, but the Gas need to be more courageous in difficult moments. Not in the sense of battling, not at all. The determination is there but they need to stay true to themselves and the way they play best, even when the pressure is on and the mind starts to play tricks.
One goal against the run of play should not be enough to derail a good performance.
A breakdown in build-up play As alluded to above, the approach play that was so good – the best Rovers have produced in the past six weeks, perhaps – in the first 40-odd minutes was never seen again in the game. This was not pure total football; there were calculated moments of going long with the wind holding the ball up and making life awkward for the Burton defence, but the emphasis was the ball on the floor and incisive passes in and around the final third.
That was the source of the opening goal and the majority of the chances that followed, but it went untapped in the second half. Kirk's leveller changed the whole vibe and it clearly played with minds and bodies on the pitch.
With the Mem slope heading towards the South Stand and the wind heading in that direction, there is no mileage in playing long, straight balls because the conditions are effectively an extra defender in that scenario – the ball runs through to the keeper or out of play so often that it makes it a fruitless exercise.
There was no tactical shift that urged the Gas to play this way in the second half. Barton was desperate to avoid a game of rugby-style long punts to each other and waiting for mistakes to play off because that does not suit his team whatsoever.
Instead, the Gas needed to recompose themselves, show a degree of patience and get back to the kind of football that plays to their strengths and not that of the opponent. They played into Burton's hands on Saturday and made life relatively easy for them in a second half that ought to have been much more difficult.
Big players need to stand up Times are tough for the Gas and five starters in Saturday's team – Balcombe, Quansah, Grant Ward, Lamare Bogarde and Calum Macdonald – have never tasted victory in the blue and white quarters.
With three of that quintet aged 23 or younger, it is only natural that confidence is a bigger factor than for established pros and confidence can only come with positive results.
The effort from every player in blue and white is clear to see. This is not a case of a team that has got to a point of presumed safety and let off the gas, but a myriad of players losing rhythm, brutal injuries – to Jordan Rossiter in particular – untimely suspensions and, most recently, an unpleasant illness in the squad that have combined to leave the Gas at the bottom of the form table, level with rock-bottom Forest Green Rovers and, coincidentally, next Saturday's opponents Oxford United.
Endeavour is not lacking but quality and composure are and Rovers' key players, particularly the leadership group of Paul Coutts, Sam Finley, Collins et al, are responsible to lead from the front.
What is the point? Gasheads are a huge asset to this club. The Mem, at its best, is a horrible place to play and that is because of the backing of the home fans and the hostile atmosphere they create.
But you have to wonder what is to be gained from the chanting of James Belshaw's name mid-game when Balcombe endured difficult moments in the second half.
Balcombe's performance was below par on Saturday and his choice to punch on a couple of occasions deserves to be questioned. It is also fair for fans to question Barton's decision to make a mid-season change between the posts by dropping Belshaw.
But during the game? What good does that do for a young player when it was apparent some of his own fans did not believe in him in that moment?
Scrutiny of the decision is absolutely justified. Balcombe has had good and bad games since joining the Gas last month and he has work to do to cement his status in the minds of supporters, particularly with Belshaw's popularity in BS7.
But during the 90 minutes, it seems entirely counterproductive to get on his back in such a way, and it is reasonable to think that played a part in his spillage at the feet of Taylor that would have led to a third goal if not for the offside flag.
Save it for after the game.
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Post by petecolley on Feb 19, 2023 10:54:46 GMT
No one seems to have commented on the fact that the game changed following the break in play during the first half, due to a Burton player being treated overlong on the pitch for injury treatment, why this is allowed i'll never know, GET HIM OFF ! This was then followed by a spectator requiring medical attention which necessitated a further delay in the game. After this we lost our momentum and never got going again. Prior to the delay(s) we were playing some decent stuff and moving the ball forward with a degree of urgency. Pete I think we all know what some of the players are capable of, we saw that against Ipswich, apart from finishing opportunities. We could easily have won Tuesday. But blaming a delay for our failure is stretching it, that's where a manager earns his crust. The breaks have an impact on both sides surely and it's up to the manager to handle that. We don't seem to be able to handle the wiles and battering that comes playing the lower sides. Against Accrington which is one of the worst performances I have seen for a while, we were outfought, out passed [our strength!], out battled and out thought by a wily manager and his team. We need to be stronger mentally as well as physically when you are playing a team like that. We are all desperate for a win, just can't see where that is going to come from at present. Or perhaps we need 'luck and chemistry' as one former director used to say!
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Post by petecolley on Feb 19, 2023 10:58:55 GMT
Prior to the delay we were in full control. We went off the boil, this was not only my opinion but also the general opinion from those fans in the area where i was sitting.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 19, 2023 12:44:19 GMT
If only those interruptions in play stopped the other team playing too. It’s sooooooo unfair that they only apply to us
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 19, 2023 12:47:38 GMT
No one seems to have commented on the fact that the game changed following the break in play during the first half, due to a Burton player being treated overlong on the pitch for injury treatment, why this is allowed i'll never know, GET HIM OFF ! This was then followed by a spectator requiring medical attention which necessitated a further delay in the game. After this we lost our momentum and never got going again. Prior to the delay(s) we were playing some decent stuff and moving the ball forward with a degree of urgency. Pete I think we all know what some of the players are capable of, we saw that against Ipswich, apart from finishing opportunities. We could easily have won Tuesday. But blaming a delay for our failure is stretching it, that's where a manager earns his crust. The breaks have an impact on both sides surely and it's up to the manager to handle that. We don't seem to be able to handle the wiles and battering that comes playing the lower sides. Against Accrington which is one of the worst performances I have seen for a while, we were outfought, out passed [our strength!], out battled and out thought by a wily manager and his team. We need to be stronger mentally as well as physically when you are playing a team like that. We are all desperate for a win, just can't see where that is going to come from at present. Or perhaps we need 'luck and chemistry' as one former director used to say! Coleman’s done that to us twice this season (home game vs them equally as disjointed) and has done a number on us regularly in previous seasons. What have we learned from this? Very little it would seem……
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 19, 2023 13:06:56 GMT
I’m 100% behind Joey Barton, there’s absolutely no question in my mind that this club would be a struggling national league side if he had not, along with Wael taken the severe actions required to eradicate the rotten core of this club. We are seeing a young enthusiastic manager learning his trade and getting ahead of himself. He knows where he wants to get to but is learning, as we all do, that there are times we have to cut our cloth to suit the circumstances. He resorts to the guillotine rather than the velvet glove, that’s his life experience showing through which he understands and is undoubtedly trying to temper. He lost focus a little bit based on the results we were getting pre Christmas, with a system, as noted by the Ipswich manager, is somewhat Kamikaze and has been seen through by opponents it used to overwhelm. The players cannot cope with tactics deployed by teams like Burton that cause disconnects all over the pitch and frustrate them to the point of despair. We saw the blueprint on Tuesday that we need to employ going forward. Ipswich couldn’t break us down and we should have won that game had three good chances been taken. 9 points clear of relegation means nothing if Joey doesn’t recognise his errors and show the humility required to reinstate Belshaw immediately and apologise to the team as a whole for sowing his weapon of discord amongst them, after all if he could do that to Belshaw how secure are the rest of them. We will find out very quickly if we are going to be relegated with what we see at Oxford, 1 point from 18 could quickly become 1 from 21 with team in bits, there’s no coming back from that. Got to challenge lots of this. The so say rotten core that Barton has removed only existed because of decisions made by Wael. Presumably you mean people like Starnes, Hamer, the revolving door of execs at the club, managers like Coughlan, Benny, Tisdale andt the squad that Barton inherited? Most of these were either direct appointments by our owner or a consequence of them. It is true Barton has assembled a likeable talented squad that do seem to care about pulling on the shirt but Barton being the saviour to save us from back to back relegations? I’m not convinced… Where might we be now if Coughlan had been given the backing that Barton has enjoyed, and not been undermined By Wael cosying up to Benny? Where might we be if Tisdale had been given time to build the club up from the bottom like he did at Exeter? And without being undermined by Widdrington? All if buts and maybes but I do think there are other Barton free routes that could bring us success
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Post by toteend3 on Feb 19, 2023 14:21:36 GMT
Questions in no particular order:
Yesterday, were we entertained and is 2 shots on target good enough?
Did player of the year Belsham need competition or just a tighter defence in front of him?
Should we have gone all out for a Wembley Cup Trip such as 2007 ( well Cardiff actually-then Wembley) ?
A) Does JB need to go on a man management course?
B) Should we stiick with JB who in many respects, has had a positive impact on the club?
Iam calling it a day for a while I leave you with ( hopefully if it works ) AC/DC - Shoot to Thrill
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2023 15:35:51 GMT
Questions in no particular order: Yesterday, were we entertained and is 2 shots on target good enough? Did player of the year Belsham need competition or just a tighter defence in front of him? Should we have gone all out for a Wembley Cup Trip such as 2007 ( well Cardiff actually-then Wembley) ? A) Does JB need to go on a man management course? B) Should we stiick with JB who in many respects, has had a positive impact on the club? Iam calling it a day for a while I leave you with ( hopefully if it works ) AC/DC - Shoot to Thrill Good luck fella, don’t be a stranger for too long
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Post by petecolley on Feb 19, 2023 15:53:58 GMT
If only those interruptions in play stopped the other team playing too. It’s sooooooo unfair that they only apply to us Burton were poor before and after the said event, delay.
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Post by trymer on Feb 19, 2023 16:18:28 GMT
I’m 100% behind Joey Barton, there’s absolutely no question in my mind that this club would be a struggling national league side if he had not, along with Wael taken the severe actions required to eradicate the rotten core of this club. We are seeing a young enthusiastic manager learning his trade and getting ahead of himself. He knows where he wants to get to but is learning, as we all do, that there are times we have to cut our cloth to suit the circumstances. He resorts to the guillotine rather than the velvet glove, that’s his life experience showing through which he understands and is undoubtedly trying to temper. He lost focus a little bit based on the results we were getting pre Christmas, with a system, as noted by the Ipswich manager, is somewhat Kamikaze and has been seen through by opponents it used to overwhelm. The players cannot cope with tactics deployed by teams like Burton that cause disconnects all over the pitch and frustrate them to the point of despair. We saw the blueprint on Tuesday that we need to employ going forward. Ipswich couldn’t break us down and we should have won that game had three good chances been taken. 9 points clear of relegation means nothing if Joey doesn’t recognise his errors and show the humility required to reinstate Belshaw immediately and apologise to the team as a whole for sowing his weapon of discord amongst them, after all if he could do that to Belshaw how secure are the rest of them. We will find out very quickly if we are going to be relegated with what we see at Oxford, 1 point from 18 could quickly become 1 from 21 with team in bits, there’s no coming back from that. Got to challenge lots of this. The so say rotten core that Barton has removed only existed because of decisions made by Wael. Presumably you mean people like Starnes, Hamer, the revolving door of execs at the club, managers like Coughlan, Benny, Tisdale andt the squad that Barton inherited? Most of these were either direct appointments by our owner or a consequence of them. It is true Barton has assembled a likeable talented squad that do seem to care about pulling on the shirt but Barton being the saviour to save us from back to back relegations? I’m not convinced… Where might we be now if Coughlan had been given the backing that Barton has enjoyed, and not been undermined By Wael cosying up to Benny? Where might we be if Tisdale had been given time to build the club up from the bottom like he did at Exeter? And without being undermined by Widdrington? All if buts and maybes but I do think there are other Barton free routes that could bring us success Barton and Hamer lived at different periods of Rovers 'evolution' a bit like cavemen and Dinosaurs.
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Post by trymer on Feb 19, 2023 16:25:32 GMT
I had hoped that the draw against Ipswich would give the Rovers team a boost in confidence and that they could go on and get a win against Burton,sadly not. Radio Bristol and Geoff Twentyman post match described Rovers as brittle,surely a lot of that is lack of confidence ? once Burton equalised Rovers seemed a different side and there for the taking.
I am now hoping for good results against Oxford,Barnsley and FGR to try and kickstart a run.
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Post by droitwichgas on Feb 19, 2023 16:33:01 GMT
Prior to the delay we were in full control. We went off the boil, this was not only my opinion but also the general opinion from those fans in the area where i was sitting. Quansah should have made 2-0, which would have been most likely game over, after the stoppage, then Burton equalised straight from the goal kick, the stoppage really had nothing to do with us conceding and then capsizing.
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Post by petecolley on Feb 19, 2023 18:42:51 GMT
Quoting The (Evening) Post newspaper report.
"A lengthy pause for a medical emergency in the West Terrace midway through the first half could have changed the flow of the contest, but Rovers remained on the front foot and Jarell Quansah sent a header from point-blank range over the bar.
It proved costly as moments later, a long punt forward was not dealt with by Quansah, Gibbons nor James Connolly and Dale Taylor had to play just a single pass to free Charlie Kirk on goal for an equaliser out of the blue.
The whole occasion changed from that moment. The vigour had been sucked out of not only the players but the stands; Gasheads were stunned after Burton had levelled from nothing against the run of play".
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Post by tenniscourtgas on Feb 19, 2023 20:17:36 GMT
As others have said, the first 30 minutes were promising, with opportunities missed, but we always seem to find a way to concede a goal. We were 2-0 up against Cheltenham on New Years Day at half time, gave away a stupid goal,at the start of the second half, then spent the rest of the game clinging on, with hurried clearances, giving the ball away, showing no composure, but got away with it. Yesterday’s second half was alarming, with next to nothing created, more hurried, scuffed clearances, with countless throw ins, free kicks conceded, all,playing into Burton’s strengths. The wind probably didn’t help, but there was again, no composure, with long balls constantly over hit. Connolly’s decline has been the most worrying, he was always a focal point with his passing, but the Cheltenham mistake set him back, and he hasn’t looked confident in defence. His struggles haven’t helped the young defender from Liverpool, who can look good on the ball, but has made mistakes, including yesterday, which led to, the Burton equaliser. I missed the Ipswich game, when apparently the central defenders played well, but, to me, the lack of an experienced central defender recruited in January is costing us. Gibson has impressed this season, but he can’t free of injury, and who knows how many matches he will miss over the last part of the season? The fixture list for the next three months looks frightening on paper, with such a young defence, lacking in confidence. The disciplinary nonsense with Finley and Loft has also come at the worst possible time, and Finley needs to be back to last season’s standards sharpish. A fit and firing Coburn, is also essential in the coming weeks, at the moment, it seems as though everything is going wrong at the same time. Barton needs to get a grip fast, he has made all the calls. I was at Morecambe, which was a massive wake up call, I didn’t think this side could be so poor. What I saw yesterday in the second half was shocking, it was not a lack of effort, but a side shorn of confidence and ideas, and just what the idiots behind the goal though they were achieving, by barracking the young Rovers goalkeeper is beyond me. Morecambe and Cambridge both have matches in mid week, hopefully they won’t be picking up points.
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Post by droitwichgas on Feb 19, 2023 20:51:15 GMT
Quoting The (Evening) Post newspaper report. "A lengthy pause for a medical emergency in the West Terrace midway through the first half could have changed the flow of the contest, but Rovers remained on the front foot and Jarell Quansah sent a header from point-blank range over the bar. It proved costly as moments later, a long punt forward was not dealt with by Quansah, Gibbons nor James Connolly and Dale Taylor had to play just a single pass to free Charlie Kirk on goal for an equaliser out of the blue. The whole occasion changed from that moment. The vigour had been sucked out of not only the players but the stands; Gasheads were stunned after Burton had levelled from nothing against the run of play". Sam Frost agrees with me that the stoppage had no bearing on the outcome?
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Post by The Concept on Feb 19, 2023 23:52:21 GMT
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Post by The Concept on Feb 19, 2023 23:57:09 GMT
I'm not so sure the Burton goals were offside now.
Last night someone posted screen-shots of both on one of the facebook pages. The still of the first seems to show Connolly's back leg may have kept their player onside. Both difficult to tell without being in line with the players.
The match highlights video also shows something I hadn't pickd up before - left of screen, you see Gibson coming out late from right back, and he then stands for ages with his hand in the air without getting involved.
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Post by petecolley on Feb 20, 2023 5:27:01 GMT
Quoting The (Evening) Post newspaper report. "A lengthy pause for a medical emergency in the West Terrace midway through the first half could have changed the flow of the contest, but Rovers remained on the front foot and Jarell Quansah sent a header from point-blank range over the bar. It proved costly as moments later, a long punt forward was not dealt with by Quansah, Gibbons nor James Connolly and Dale Taylor had to play just a single pass to free Charlie Kirk on goal for an equaliser out of the blue. The whole occasion changed from that moment. The vigour had been sucked out of not only the players but the stands; Gasheads were stunned after Burton had levelled from nothing against the run of play". Sam Frost agrees with me that the stoppage had no bearing on the outcome? Well at least Pal Joey agrees with me. "Joey Barton said, as per Bristol Live after the game: “It’s a tough moment for us as a group; lads are lower on confidence than you would like. “We get a great start and go 1-0 up in the game and possibly should have got a second or third. There was a little bit of a break in play and we didn’t seem to recover after that. “A long punt down the pitch was not dealt with and a team that had created nothing found themselves 1-1 in the game and I think that just ate into the lads’ confidence".
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 20, 2023 11:02:22 GMT
It's interesting to watch the goals again with the benefit of being able to slow things down and replay.
Our goal was excellent. Their equaliser came from Quansah not winning a header in the middle someone else - cant see who but think might be Gibbons as the goal scorer was where I would expect him to be - also not winning a 50:50 and them having an overload down the left. As a result Connolly has a difficult choice - attack the ball and leave a big gap in the centre or pick up the loose man and allow a free shot. In the end he does neither and their winger has an easy pass to a man in space. We were so out of shape for the whole goal.
The winning goal is even more horrible. Ward has a chance to whack the ball clear and scuffs it. Connolly then loses his man completely stops with hand in the air and from there after a few seconds of pinball mayhem Connolly’s man bundles the ball into the back of the net.
We look so weak and disorganised in defence at the moment.
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