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Post by hamdonmart on Dec 30, 2022 10:01:51 GMT
I think if Marquis scores that sitter at 3-2, you'd win the game no problem.
I've seen Belshaw rescue Rovers many times this season but as is always the case with goalkeepers at any level, there's no one behind them except the net to stop the ball. Marquis was equally "at fault" snatching at his shot when he really should have scored.
Great game though.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 30, 2022 11:06:52 GMT
Just looked at the goals, Belshaw to blame for all 4. Invited the 1st by being way off his line, 2nd no dive, although due to being unsighted, 3rd played the ball to their midfielder, 4th obvious. True. But... 1st no closing down by defence allowing free shot. 2nd Evans lazily gave the ball away in mid unforced error that they had some work to do, but no closing down shot. 3rd no stopping cross, no marking header back to the relegation season. 4th who hasn't come before and made a mess?
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 30, 2022 11:23:22 GMT
I think if Marquis scores that sitter at 3-2, you'd win the game no problem. I've seen Belshaw rescue Rovers many times this season but as is always the case with goalkeepers at any level, there's no one behind them except the net to stop the ball. Marquis was equally "at fault" snatching at his shot when he really should have scored. Great game though. You're right about Belshaw, but as far as I can remember he never comes that far up the field to clear, but goes sideways most of the time like an extra fullback. Great box keeper. I'm not sure Marquis's chance was a sitter. The commentator said it was an open goal that he should have hit first time but he was sitting opposite the iFollow camera so had a different angle to mine. It didn't bounce well for him, there were two defenders in front of him and it looked like he tried to get it onto his right foot but was smothered.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 30, 2022 12:50:07 GMT
Watched via net. As has been written, lost it by pushing our poor defence up the field. I did not expect this of sun tzu Barton. Sometimes I think he just gets a rush of blood and no one seems to have the nads to try to convince him otherwise. 6 points thrown away. Think the play off peeps will be seeing us as we really are, in the not too distant future. Blaming Belshaw ? He should not have been left in those positions in the first place. Very ungracious to turn on the guy who has been a revelation for us. We are bang average in league 1. Luckily there are worse teams
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Post by syg on Dec 30, 2022 16:32:33 GMT
Watched via net. As has been written, lost it by pushing our poor defence up the field. I did not expect this of sun tzu Barton. Sometimes I think he just gets a rush of blood and no one seems to have the nads to try to convince him otherwise. 6 points thrown away. Think the play off peeps will be seeing us as we really are, in the not too distant future. Blaming Belshaw ? He should not have been left in those positions in the first place. Very ungracious to turn on the guy who has been a revelation for us. We are bang average in league 1. Luckily there are worse teams . Ungracious feels a bit harsh. I'm just stating my interpretation of what I saw. He's hasn't been as solid as last year and had a shocker yesterday. Still a decent keeper and jolly decent fellow by all accounts.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Dec 30, 2022 16:48:41 GMT
We are an average team and sadly not good enough to go up.Gibbons who was rated very highly at Vale needs to start. Felt very deflated after last night.Big crowd,huge anticipation but too much mediocrity on view.
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Post by Bath Gas on Dec 30, 2022 17:56:55 GMT
"Barton is still learning". Well, that's a relief after 40 years of blaming all and sundry. He obviously has no faith in his defence or he wouldn't have told them to push up for a fourth after we'd gone 3-2 up with 20 minutes left. A back line almost halfway up the field, a simple lob over the top and Belshaw-Becker has a rush of blood to the head. Of course, Barton could have been trying to rub it in true bully style, who knows. He couldn't blame the ref this time though that's for sure. He's only a couple of months past his 40th birthday - don't let facts get in the way of Barton bashing though.
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Post by syg on Dec 30, 2022 18:40:22 GMT
On a completely different note.
I give you Crawley Town, the owner is in the dugout tonight.
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 30, 2022 19:05:38 GMT
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 30, 2022 20:32:08 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 30, 2022 20:49:24 GMT
On a completely different note. I give you Crawley Town, the owner is in the dugout tonight. who have just lost their "current" manager /coach........ left his position as "things were not happening as the owners would have liked"
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Post by Blue Mist on Dec 30, 2022 21:37:09 GMT
Very disappointed to lose this match but what a great game of attacking football to watch. Both teams going for it and never giving it up and a real tactical battle. Fair play to Exeter at the end of the day.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 31, 2022 7:09:15 GMT
"Barton is still learning". Well, that's a relief after 40 years of blaming all and sundry. He obviously has no faith in his defence or he wouldn't have told them to push up for a fourth after we'd gone 3-2 up with 20 minutes left. A back line almost halfway up the field, a simple lob over the top and Belshaw-Becker has a rush of blood to the head. Of course, Barton could have been trying to rub it in true bully style, who knows. He couldn't blame the ref this time though that's for sure. He's only a couple of months past his 40th birthday - don't let facts get in the way of Barton bashing though. You mean there's another ten months to wait before the crisis really sets in? He's been at his best behaviour since the court case. That verdict and the sobering experience of a 4 replacing the 3 could be the life-changer for him.
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Post by The Concept on Dec 31, 2022 10:39:08 GMT
After getting home from the game and reading some of the absolute carp written on the facebook groups, it's nice to see here that most people saw things in a similar way to me.
I don't blame Belly for the defeat, I don't blame the starting XI - I think the defeat was down to the way the XI were set up and the tactics used.
For instance, we started with a back 4 but for much of the first half our right back LH was instructed to stand on the touchline in line with the edge of their penalty box, with AE playing behind him. What was that about? I can't get my head around it. Perhaps it worked on the training ground - well it certainly didn't during the game.
We had a forward line the envy of most teams in the division: AC, RL & JC, with attacking midfielders AE & SF. The problem with having all those attacking players is getting the ball to them, and I'm afraid we had to be more direct as there was a big gap between defence and attack. 61% possession, but we weren't doing much with it. Not many clear cut chances, but their back line was struggling at times, and were getting close to having a player sent off.
Yes JM missed a great chance to make it 4-2 to us, but at 2-1 down Exeter had 2 great chances to make it 3-1, and JB Jnr saved a 1-on-1 which could have made it 5-3 to them.
The goals...
1-0 Exeter - Was Belly really at fault? Was he slightly off his line? Seeing it again that's a bit harsh. The defence backed off, no one had picked up the striker, and it would have been a world-class stop to keep that out.
2-0 Exeter - At the time I was thinking should Belly have done better at his near post, and JB Snr said as much the same post match interview. However, we were both viewing from the east side and after watching the highlights the shot was more central than I thought, so Belly was centrally positioned in goal, and he was slightly unsighted with players in front. If there is any fault (and it's difficult to do, as it was a well placed shot) then I would pick out Coutts - what was he doing standing aside, letting the ball go past, rather than trying to block it?
1-2 Rovers - It seemed the only way back was a goal from nowhere, and Collins was going to be the man: a super strike from distance. I don't like bringing him up, but it's a good example to use - we used to have a striker (who slithered off somewhere) who scored many goals by taking a shot early with minimal back-lift, surprising the 'keeper, and both their Collins and our Collins did that.
2-2 Rovers - Great wide play and cross from Collins and no one was going to stop Coburn getting on the end of it.
3-2 Rovers - Superb run from Collins to get into the penalty area. At the time I thought the defender had won the ball, but having watched the video it seems he missed it completely and clattered into Collins and a defo pen.
3-3 Exeter - A free header just outside the 6-yard box. What were the centre-backs doing? None of them marking a player. Not the best drop-kick from Belly beforehand - maybe a result of the cramp he went down with?
4-3 Exeter - So Belly came off his line. Perhaps that was a mistake, but why did he have to do it in the first place? Why was he put in a position to have to make that decision? Where were the defenders? How was a clearance by their 'keeper allowed to bounce into the path of their striker? Even if Belly had stayed on his line, Nombe had a great chance to score anyway.
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Post by The Concept on Dec 31, 2022 11:28:14 GMT
"Get the deadwood out, move them on." - I'm not keen on this sort of talk. Some of these players would have been part of a promotion winning team. Who could the "deadwood" be?
"Unfortunately, some tough decisions, some fan-favourites, etcetera, might find themselves having to move on ... then, unfortunately, sentiment, and fan-favourites, etcetera, unfortunately, are going to have to move on, and that's the nature of the beast, you have to be ruthless if you want to win, and I want to win." - I wonder who the fan-favourites who have to move on are?
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Post by bloogas on Dec 31, 2022 11:33:05 GMT
"Barton is still learning". Well, that's a relief after 40 years of blaming all and sundry. He obviously has no faith in his defence or he wouldn't have told them to push up for a fourth after we'd gone 3-2 up with 20 minutes left. A back line almost halfway up the field, a simple lob over the top and Belshaw-Becker has a rush of blood to the head. Of course, Barton could have been trying to rub it in true bully style, who knows. He couldn't blame the ref this time though that's for sure. He's only a couple of months past his 40th birthday - don't let facts get in the way of Barton bashing though. No opportunity is missed.
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Post by bloogas on Dec 31, 2022 11:39:37 GMT
Watched via net. As has been written, lost it by pushing our poor defence up the field. I did not expect this of sun tzu Barton. Sometimes I think he just gets a rush of blood and no one seems to have the nads to try to convince him otherwise. 6 points thrown away. Think the play off peeps will be seeing us as we really are, in the not too distant future. Blaming Belshaw ? He should not have been left in those positions in the first place. Very ungracious to turn on the guy who has been a revelation for us. We are bang average in league 1. Luckily there are worse teams Well said KP. Sadly seems to be the modern way. Someone has to be blamed and let's crucify that person while we're at it.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 31, 2022 11:54:13 GMT
Whatever, my first game for a month or two and it was a great game and a great advert for League 1 football. I thought it was played with a good spirit, lots of ups and downs and we just missed out which was disappointing. But two days after I think there were lots of pluses… good attacking play and once the changes were made in the second half we were the better team. But the defence which we know can be much better were poor but they are professional players and I expect them to improve after JB has got to them. Great entertainment and even the ref was half decent and I don’t say that too often. My only criticism of him was he should have come down hard on the time wasting at the beginning which would have made it a better match, and some of the throw always and kick aways from both sides should have resulted in a booking or two. But he didn’t and he was at least consistent in that. Well done both teams for the entertainment and the desire to go for goals and attack.
UTG!
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Post by bloogas on Dec 31, 2022 12:36:18 GMT
Whatever, my first game for a month or two and it was a great game and a great advert for League 1 football. I thought it was played with a good spirit, lots of ups and downs and we just missed out which was disappointing. But two days after I think there were lots of pluses… good attacking play and once the changes were made in the second half we were the better team. But the defence which we know can be much better were poor but they are professional players and I expect them to improve after JB has got to them. Great entertainment and even the ref was half decent and I don’t say that too often. My only criticism of him was he should have come down hard on the time wasting at the beginning which would have made it a better match, and some of the throw always and kick aways from both sides should have resulted in a booking or two. But he didn’t and he was at least consistent in that. Well done both teams for the entertainment and the desire to go for goals and attack. UTG! Agree totally - except for two things. The spirit shown by Exeter manager Gary Caldwell was hardly good, especially after the final whistle towards Rovers fans. Since when was All-in wrestling part of Association Football? The referee could not possibly have missed it. Otherwise a great game.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2022 13:04:29 GMT
Watched via net. As has been written, lost it by pushing our poor defence up the field. I did not expect this of sun tzu Barton. Sometimes I think he just gets a rush of blood and no one seems to have the nads to try to convince him otherwise. 6 points thrown away. Think the play off peeps will be seeing us as we really are, in the not too distant future. Blaming Belshaw ? He should not have been left in those positions in the first place. Very ungracious to turn on the guy who has been a revelation for us. We are bang average in league 1. Luckily there are worse teams Well said KP. Sadly seems to be the modern way. Someone has to be blamed and let's crucify that person while we're at it. Read lots of the comments, on Twitter and Instagram and admit to being stunned. Hero to zero and Barton already talking of replacing. Just find the whole thing horrific. Nothing more to add. Devastated of Kingswood
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