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Post by bloogas on Apr 26, 2022 8:23:10 GMT
And no other manager is like this? No other player has ever traded on his 'notoriety? I have vague memories from the dim and distant past of Tommy Smith commenting something along the lines of "whether I'm hard or not is irrelevant - but the reputation certainly helps." Whether I take JB at face value or not and what I think of him is my business. Joey isn't 'hard'. His past actions were cowardly. Indeed - you are entirely welcome to take Joey at face value or do otherwise. But the point is that we can hardly complain about being treated like a team of thugs when we employ a thug as our manager. My sincere apologies for misleading you - I did not mean to suggest that JB is hard. TS was merely a handy example of an individual using "notoriety" as some kind of tool. Politicians, pop stars, and all sorts of people utilise it. My old pa used to quote another wise old guy he knew - "believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see". But of course if it's in the media, it must be true. As to our treatment by referees, etc., it is flattering to them to say that we get treated as thugs. It is incompetence. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 26, 2022 8:27:17 GMT
its a good point. 👍🏻 Sometime has now passed since Joey last embarrassed the club whilst under contract with us. That was either claim he kicked his wife in the head or comparing our performance to the Holocaust. All some time before last Xmas. He never said THE! A very big differance. That is just semantics. The word "holocaust" whether pre-fixed with "the" or "a" leads us to reflect on the genocide of 6 million Jews. It was a totally inappropriate analogy to use and it caused offence. Barton apologised. Yes, even Barton apologised. |
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Post by bloogas on Apr 26, 2022 11:18:49 GMT
He never said THE! A very big differance. That is just semantics. The word "holocaust" whether pre-fixed with "the" or "a" leads us to reflect on the genocide of 6 million Jews. It was a totally inappropriate analogy to use and it caused offence. Barton apologised. Yes, even Barton apologised. As far as I know the word "holocaust" existed and was in use before WW2. The earliest use was 1833 apparently. Is it now the case that it shouldn't be used? I've read enough books and watched enough TV documentaries on the subject to know very well what it means. I grew up in the aftermath of WW2 when the horrors of it were being revealed in the Sunday papers which I read. There is however a difference between "a" and "the" - "the" is a definite one, the other a generalisation. Whatever - is it suggested that the word should not be used again? Any other words which should not be used? I'm sorry if I offend, but this seems to me to be the height of "Wokery". |
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Post by petecolley on Apr 26, 2022 12:17:17 GMT
The word, holocaust, was used on the T.V. news the other evening to describe some of the atrocities being perpetuated out in Ukrain.
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Post by rideintothesun on Apr 26, 2022 14:21:10 GMT
The word, holocaust, was used on the T.V. news the other evening to describe some of the atrocities being perpetuated out in Ukrain. And? I think we can all agree it is more appropriately applied to events in the Ukraine than a lower league football match against Newport County. And that's even taking into account my dislike for how the word 'genocide' has become politicized (i.e. over used). However, that's a whole other thread... Barton himself acknowledged that his use of the word was inappropriate and offensive. So we move on... |
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Post by rideintothesun on Apr 26, 2022 14:35:00 GMT
That is just semantics. The word "holocaust" whether pre-fixed with "the" or "a" leads us to reflect on the genocide of 6 million Jews. It was a totally inappropriate analogy to use and it caused offence. Barton apologised. Yes, even Barton apologised. As far as I know the word "holocaust" existed and was in use before WW2. The earliest use was 1833 apparently. Is it now the case that it shouldn't be used? I've read enough books and watched enough TV documentaries on the subject to know very well what it means. I grew up in the aftermath of WW2 when the horrors of it were being revealed in the Sunday papers which I read. There is however a difference between "a" and "the" - "the" is a definite one, the other a generalisation. Whatever - is it suggested that the word should not be used again? Any other words which should not be used? I'm sorry if I offend, but this seems to me to be the height of "Wokery". Barton was an idiot to use the word to describe a defensive error. He (belatedly) admitted he was wrong to use it. Why are you flogging this dead horse? And the sensitivity on this subject is not wokery. It goes back further - more to do with the west's inability to come to terms with its (direct and indirect) responsibility for this historical event. As a case-in-point, consider the fact that even the most 'woke' can be surprisingly tolerant of anti-Semitic views and opinions couched in new form/s. |
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Post by bloogas on Apr 26, 2022 15:13:00 GMT
As far as I know the word "holocaust" existed and was in use before WW2. The earliest use was 1833 apparently. Is it now the case that it shouldn't be used? I've read enough books and watched enough TV documentaries on the subject to know very well what it means. I grew up in the aftermath of WW2 when the horrors of it were being revealed in the Sunday papers which I read. There is however a difference between "a" and "the" - "the" is a definite one, the other a generalisation. Whatever - is it suggested that the word should not be used again? Any other words which should not be used? I'm sorry if I offend, but this seems to me to be the height of "Wokery". Barton was an idiot to use the word to describe a defensive error. He (belatedly) admitted he was wrong to use it. Why are you flogging this dead horse? And the sensitivity on this subject is not wokery. It goes back further - more to do with the west's inability to come to terms with its (direct and indirect) responsibility for this historical event. As a case-in-point, consider the fact that even the most 'woke' can be surprisingly tolerant of anti-Semitic views and opinions couched in new form/s. Thank you for correcting me. I am suitably chastened. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 26, 2022 21:32:21 GMT
As far as I know the word "holocaust" existed and was in use before WW2. The earliest use was 1833 apparently. Is it now the case that it shouldn't be used? I've read enough books and watched enough TV documentaries on the subject to know very well what it means. I grew up in the aftermath of WW2 when the horrors of it were being revealed in the Sunday papers which I read. There is however a difference between "a" and "the" - "the" is a definite one, the other a generalisation. Whatever - is it suggested that the word should not be used again? Any other words which should not be used? I'm sorry if I offend, but this seems to me to be the height of "Wokery". Barton was an idiot to use the word to describe a defensive error. He (belatedly) admitted he was wrong to use it. Why are you flogging this dead horse? And the sensitivity on this subject is not wokery. It goes back further - more to do with the west's inability to come to terms with its (direct and indirect) responsibility for this historical event. As a case-in-point, consider the fact that even the most 'woke' can be surprisingly tolerant of anti-Semitic views and opinions couched in new form/s. its come up because although Joey apologised for misspeaking some of his fan boys on here like laughinggas won’t apologise, and never was anything to apologise for, prefer to double down by saying it was a not the. |
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 27, 2022 7:44:18 GMT
The dead horse has been flogged. I think that's a wrap for this thread. Moving.
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